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by New Greater Netherlands » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:22 pm
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:25 pm
by Grenartia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:27 pm
by Jelmatt » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:33 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
I get misgendered on the phone all the time, I’ve given up correcting people...
It sucks, I know, and I got into a debate, online, on whether trans people have an obligation to explain themselves and basic trans terms to cis people. I maintained that I don't have to teach you since google is free.
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:35 pm
Grenartia wrote:Uh, guise? I don't think the ramifications of the Protestant Reformation and the history of Catholicism are relevant to this thread.
by Grenartia » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:36 pm
Jelmatt wrote:Auzkhia wrote:
It sucks, I know, and I got into a debate, online, on whether trans people have an obligation to explain themselves and basic trans terms to cis people. I maintained that I don't have to teach you since google is free.
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:39 pm
Grenartia wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
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Exactly. That's why I don't buy into that "not my job to explain to you" line.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 30, 2018 1:28 am
Grenartia wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
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Exactly. That's why I don't buy into that "not my job to explain to you" line.
by Geneviev » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:55 am
Jelmatt wrote:Auzkhia wrote:"transgenderism"
How to spot transphobia, if a writer uses that word unironically in a serious article.
If the writer uses that word unironically in a serious article after like, 2008, sure. Up until the mid-00s it was a common term in the trans community as well.Geneviev wrote:What else are people supposed to say?
I actually have no problem with the term itself, just find it outdated, but most people use terms like "being transgender" or "gender variance."
Sometimes it can get a bit weird, though. I've been reading a book which, to avoid using "transgenderism," just used "transgender" as a noun to refer to being transgender, so you'd have sentences like "many gender patients have difficulties coming to terms with their own transgender."
by Auzkhia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:02 am
Jelmatt wrote:Auzkhia wrote:
It sucks, I know, and I got into a debate, online, on whether trans people have an obligation to explain themselves and basic trans terms to cis people. I maintained that I don't have to teach you since google is free.
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
Geneviev wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
If the writer uses that word unironically in a serious article after like, 2008, sure. Up until the mid-00s it was a common term in the trans community as well.
I actually have no problem with the term itself, just find it outdated, but most people use terms like "being transgender" or "gender variance."
Sometimes it can get a bit weird, though. I've been reading a book which, to avoid using "transgenderism," just used "transgender" as a noun to refer to being transgender, so you'd have sentences like "many gender patients have difficulties coming to terms with their own transgender."
Transgender shouldn't be a noun. That sounds weird.
Anyways, thanks. I'll just not use transgenderism then so no transphobia is assumed.
by Luna Amore » Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:23 am
Auzkhia wrote:Yes. Transgender is an adjective. It's a common mistake for some, even well meaning cis people, to say "transgendered"
by Jelmatt » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:08 am
Oudland wrote:Trans folks sure do seem concerned about how other people speak.
by Marxist Rainbow » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:15 am
Oudland wrote:Trans folks sure do seem concerned about how other people speak.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:17 am
Luna Amore wrote:Auzkhia wrote:Yes. Transgender is an adjective. It's a common mistake for some, even well meaning cis people, to say "transgendered"
Huh. TIL.
I think it's probably because male, female and gender are all nouns that you can naturally follow that to using transgender as a noun. Etymologically it makes sense in my head and I don't understand why it's offensive, but TIL none-the-less.
by New Greater Netherlands » Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:34 am
Geneviev wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
If the writer uses that word unironically in a serious article after like, 2008, sure. Up until the mid-00s it was a common term in the trans community as well.
I actually have no problem with the term itself, just find it outdated, but most people use terms like "being transgender" or "gender variance."
Sometimes it can get a bit weird, though. I've been reading a book which, to avoid using "transgenderism," just used "transgender" as a noun to refer to being transgender, so you'd have sentences like "many gender patients have difficulties coming to terms with their own transgender."
Transgender shouldn't be a noun. That sounds weird.
Anyways, thanks. I'll just not use transgenderism then so no transphobia is assumed.
De Telegraaf: In Brussels there were violent protests against the current government and against the Christian Conservative policy between 19:00 and 21:30. Minister of the Belgian States Kees van der Staaij says he wants to have a talk with the rebels, since this has to be arranged through the House of Representatives and / or the King (with other officials: The Ministers have little to say) van der Staaij is going to have between 23:00 and 4:00 a debate in the Lower House with Minister-President Dave Hagen and the other Political Parties
by Grenartia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:27 pm
Auzkhia wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
1. First result when I googled "what is non binary"
2. Google also gives a quick dictionary definition.Geneviev wrote:Transgender shouldn't be a noun. That sounds weird.
Anyways, thanks. I'll just not use transgenderism then so no transphobia is assumed.
3. Yes. Transgender is an adjective. It's a common mistake for some, even well meaning cis people, to say "transgendered"
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:31 pm
by Grenartia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:31 pm
Oudland wrote:Trans folks sure do seem concerned about how other people speak.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Luna Amore wrote:Huh. TIL.
I think it's probably because male, female and gender are all nouns that you can naturally follow that to using transgender as a noun. Etymologically it makes sense in my head and I don't understand why it's offensive, but TIL none-the-less.
Don't know the official reason people don't like it as I'm not actively involved (surprise, surprise!) in any activist groups. But to me it's a word that doesn't work very well because it makes it sound almost as if being transgender is something that was done to them? "Oh no, I've been transgendered!!!" Feels like it plays into the semantic web of transphobic implications about it not being "natural" and people being tricked into it by some evil conspiracy of doctors or psychiatrists like the phobefems and religionists argue. It doesn't upset me personally, but I've always thought it sounds awkward.
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:34 pm
Grenartia wrote:Oudland wrote:Trans folks sure do seem concerned about how other people speak.
Cis folks sure do seem concerned about how other people live their lives.Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Don't know the official reason people don't like it as I'm not actively involved (surprise, surprise!) in any activist groups. But to me it's a word that doesn't work very well because it makes it sound almost as if being transgender is something that was done to them? "Oh no, I've been transgendered!!!" Feels like it plays into the semantic web of transphobic implications about it not being "natural" and people being tricked into it by some evil conspiracy of doctors or psychiatrists like the phobefems and religionists argue. It doesn't upset me personally, but I've always thought it sounds awkward.
That's actually the general consensus.New Greater Netherlands wrote:
So i am actually then a woman? (Ofc i am a woman but i hope you get it)
I feel like I'm missing some context here.
by Grenartia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:42 pm
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Cis folks sure do seem concerned about how other people live their lives.
That's actually the general consensus.
I feel like I'm missing some context here.
You know that is not true. Not all cisgender people meddle in other people’s personal lives...
by Philjia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:12 pm
Oudland wrote:Trans folks sure do seem concerned about how other people speak.
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by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:25 pm
Jelmatt wrote:Auzkhia wrote:
It sucks, I know, and I got into a debate, online, on whether trans people have an obligation to explain themselves and basic trans terms to cis people. I maintained that I don't have to teach you since google is free.
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
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by Khasinkonia » Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:42 pm
by Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:22 pm
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
This attitude is completely understandable, as I'm sure trans people get waaaay too many questions from cis people that could be answered by a simple google search. But it really is best to educate people about these things if you can, especially as if they google search it they're as likely to find a transphobic website as one which honestly and respectfully explains trans issues and trans terminology.
I honestly either ask my trans friends or ask here/internet search when I have a doubt or a question. So far, they have always been very nice about answering any question I may have. But I agree in that trans people do not owe anyone explanations or education about transgender issues as yes, the info is out there, online. Unless, of course, you personally feel like teaching others. But it is not your obligation.
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