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What should the first subtitle of our next thread be?

Trans Men Are Not Women
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24%
Anti-Cistamines
10
10%
Please Don't Deadnaming Eve
3
3%
Is This Destroying My Free Speech
8
8%
We Know More About This Than You
11
11%
HRT And Crumpets
26
27%
Pro-Nouns & Anti-Verbs
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16%
 
Total votes : 97

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The Serbian Empire
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat May 05, 2018 2:30 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:But none of them will claim to be Jesus as their name is not Jesus.

There have been plenty of loonies over the years that claim they're Christ (among other things) some times all at once. Who knows you might run into a latino man named "Jesus". There's got to be at least one latino man named Jesus that just happens to be unwashed that's singing the Beetles "I Want to Hold Your Hand".

Ah, if there isn't one there yet someday there will be.
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Postby Hediacrana » Tue May 08, 2018 7:20 am

In positive news, Ontario issued its first non-binary birth certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/ontario-non-binary-birth-certificate-canada-transgender
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Postby Osea 767 » Tue May 08, 2018 12:35 pm

So, I'm thinking about what I can do about my dysphoria. I live in the UK. Now, I'm completely incapable of going up to anyone and revealing this matter, so I can hardly go to my GP and just say it. So, what can I do? I can talk about it in text and could send emails and the like as a first step, but there are no options to do that, as far as I'm aware.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 08, 2018 12:36 pm

Osea 767 wrote:So, I'm thinking about what I can do about my dysphoria. I live in the UK. Now, I'm completely incapable of going up to anyone and revealing this matter, so I can hardly go to my GP and just say it. So, what can I do? I can talk about it in text and could send emails and the like as a first step, but there are no options to do that, as far as I'm aware.


Have you tried searching for trans support groups? There may be some locally.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 08, 2018 1:21 pm

Hediacrana wrote:In positive news, Ontario issued its first non-binary birth certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/ontario-non-binary-birth-certificate-canada-transgender

Wtf....why Canada?
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 08, 2018 3:27 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Hediacrana wrote:In positive news, Ontario issued its first non-binary birth certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/ontario-non-binary-birth-certificate-canada-transgender

Wtf....why Canada?


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Postby Auzkhia » Tue May 08, 2018 3:28 pm

Hediacrana wrote:In positive news, Ontario issued its first non-binary birth certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/ontario-non-binary-birth-certificate-canada-transgender

Good, now Pennsylvania should do this too.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 08, 2018 3:29 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Wtf....why Canada?


Because, contrary to popular belief, we exist and are valid.

How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 08, 2018 3:29 pm

Hediacrana wrote:In positive news, Ontario issued its first non-binary birth certificate.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/07/ontario-non-binary-birth-certificate-canada-transgender

Cool!
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 08, 2018 3:30 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Because, contrary to popular belief, we exist and are valid.

How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:

Not identifying as either, same way you can be female or male?
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Postby Grenartia » Tue May 08, 2018 3:37 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Because, contrary to popular belief, we exist and are valid.

How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:


Because just like everything else in life, there's more than two boxes in this particular category.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 08, 2018 3:39 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:

Not identifying as either, same way you can be female or male?

I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 08, 2018 3:50 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Not identifying as either, same way you can be female or male?

I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?

That you identify as something doesn't mean it's a choice, necessarily. I don't see how it's implausible for a brain structure to be androgynous and somebody's gender identity to sync with that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 08, 2018 3:51 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Because, contrary to popular belief, we exist and are valid.

How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:


Because some people do not conform to a gender binary. Is that so hard to understand?
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 08, 2018 3:53 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Not identifying as either, same way you can be female or male?

I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?

You can be male, female, both, neither... There's a lot of options. It's very nice that way, too.
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Postby Webus » Tue May 08, 2018 3:57 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Not identifying as either, same way you can be female or male?

I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?

The most up to date science is claiming that gender and sex are different things, so what do you mean that that is denial of science?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 08, 2018 3:58 pm

Webus wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?

The most up to date science is claiming that gender and sex are different things, so what do you mean that that is denial of science?


I don't think he knows what he's talking about. There's no denial of science. This is documented by psychology.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti ... -the-above
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 08, 2018 4:01 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Aillyria wrote:How can you be not a female or a male...... :eyebrow:


Because some people do not conform to a gender binary. Is that so hard to understand?

That is impossible, humanity only has two gender and two sexes.

Webus wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I've said this before, gender isn't an opinion....you either are male or female. I hate that the trans* community is turning to this ridiculous opinion based identity bs. What happened to the scientific basis for our gender based on brain structure and chemistry? Or is that just forgotten now?

The most up to date science is claiming that gender and sex are different things, so what do you mean that that is denial of science?

You can't have a "nonbinary" brain chemistry.
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 08, 2018 4:03 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Webus wrote:The most up to date science is claiming that gender and sex are different things, so what do you mean that that is denial of science?


I don't think he knows what he's talking about. There's no denial of science. This is documented by psychology.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti ... -the-above

I am a woman........

Gender isn't psychological, or an opinion.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 08, 2018 4:03 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because some people do not conform to a gender binary. Is that so hard to understand?

That is impossible, humanity only has two gender and two sexes.

Webus wrote:The most up to date science is claiming that gender and sex are different things, so what do you mean that that is denial of science?

You can't have a "nonbinary" brain chemistry.

Couldn't you, theoretically? If you had neither entirely "male" brain traits nor entirely "female" ones.

Aillyria wrote:Gender isn't psychological, or an opinion.


It is psychological, at least partially.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 08, 2018 4:06 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I don't think he knows what he's talking about. There's no denial of science. This is documented by psychology.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti ... -the-above

I am a woman........

Gender isn't psychological, or an opinion.


I am a woman too, but I do understand that some people do not identify as a man or a woman. Gender is not a binary thing.
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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Tue May 08, 2018 4:07 pm

Wait...

How does a baby choose to be non-binary?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue May 08, 2018 4:08 pm

Mosleyite Britannia wrote:Wait...

How does a baby choose to be non-binary?


You're pretty much equating gender with biology. They're not the same thing. And it's not a matter of choice either.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 08, 2018 4:08 pm

Mosleyite Britannia wrote:Wait...

How does a baby choose to be non-binary?

A baby doesn't choose anything.

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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Tue May 08, 2018 4:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Mosleyite Britannia wrote:Wait...

How does a baby choose to be non-binary?

A baby doesn't choose anything.

So then what's the point of a non-binary birth certificate?
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My countrymen, my blood spills for you and for Egypt. I will live for your sake and die for the sake of your freedom and honor. Let them kill me; it does not concern me so long as I have instilled pride, honor, and freedom in you. If Gamal Abdel Nasser should die, each of you shall be Gamal Abdel Nasser ... Gamal Abdel Nasser is of you and from you and he is willing to sacrifice his life for the nation.
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