Transgender Discussion Thread III: Vote in our poll!

[Aellex]

Not necessarily. In cases like corrective rape, the physical pleasure that the rapist may derive from it is secondary to the intent to subjugate and humilliate the person they are targeting. Rape is in no small part about aggression and domination. The rapist doesn't have to be attracted to the person they are targeting in order to go ahead and attack them. Straight men rape other men without feeling any actual sexual attraction towards men.

They gays too, tho.

[Neutraligon]

Depends, since such revelations can place the trans individual in danger.

Not as much as doing the immoral thing and not telling it. I doubt most would be angry about learning that someone is trans before they had sex with them, I'm quite sure most would, however, if they did learn about it after they had been tricked into having sex with them.

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

[Liriena]

What's with this non sequitur? And do you disagree with informing potential partners of your that you are trans being the moral thing to do?

Depends, since such revelations can place the trans individual in danger.

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

[Aellex]

And once again with good reason. Revealing they are trans places the trans person in a great deal of danger.

Not as much as [by] doing the immoral thing and not telling it. I doubt most would be angry about learning that someone is trans before they had sex with them, I'm quite sure most would, however, if they did learn about it after they had been tricked into having sex with them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Let's say someone is a Muslim or Catholic, and they are looking for a wife; it would be disingenuous for a trans person to date them knowing that they aren't what the person is looking for. It would be emotionally painful to cultivate a relationship with someone, then tell them that they have to choose between you and their deeply held convictions.

Well first, a Catholic or Muslim might not have an issue with a person being trans or dating a trans individual. Second that does not change the fact that revealing one is trans can place the trans individual in a great deal of danger. Third why are you assuming a trans individual would continue to date a person after learning their partner does not want to date a trans individual.

One who follows the doctrines of the Catholic Church or who follows the direction of the Ummah would. Why would they want to date someone without knowing if they would be okay with it?

[Liriena]

Not necessarily. In cases like corrective rape, the physical pleasure that the rapist may derive from it is secondary to the intent to subjugate and humilliate the person they are targeting. Rape is in no small part about aggression and domination. The rapist doesn't have to be attracted to the person they are targeting in order to go ahead and attack them. Straight men rape other men without feeling any actual sexual attraction towards men.

They gays too, tho.

Huh?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Not as much as doing the immoral thing and not telling it. I doubt most would be angry about learning that someone is trans before they had sex with them, I'm quite sure most would, however, if they did learn about it after they had been tricked into having sex with them.

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

Then tell them before they become a partner.

[Neutraligon]

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

Then tell them before they become a partner.

When you don't know how they will react to being told you are trans, you know like killing the trans individual because they are trans. Is it really that hard to understand that telling a person you are trans places the trans individual directly in danger of being hurt or killed due to them being trans?

[Aellex]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

Are you fucking kidding me?
You're actually encouraging trans people to go out and deceive people about their identity. Wow, that's very low. Very very low.

[Liriena]

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

Then tell them before they become a partner.

That's easier said than done if you're talking about complete strangers, given that strangers make up a large minority of those who commit hate crimes against trans people.

[Neutraligon]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

Are you fucking kidding me?
You're actually encouraging trans people to go out and deceive people about their identity. Wow, that's very low. Very very low.

When going out and telling people you are trans places you in direct danger of being beaten up and killed yeah I have no issue with them not telling a person until they feel safe enough to tell that person. I find it interesting that you think some sort of deception is going on. What deception?

[Khalisako]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

Are you fucking kidding me?
You're actually encouraging trans people to go out and deceive people about their identity. Wow, that's very low. Very very low.

So is your bullshit accusation of a trans person being inherent deceiver.

[Grenartia]

We already do.

Though of course not immediately. Revealing one is trans can be very dangerous for a trans person. To reveal it shows a great deal of trust in the person they are having a relationship with.

Exactly. But we all know its something that has to be revealed at some point. Kind of hard to explain the presence of one set of parts or another during sex, for one. Also kind of hard to justify the need or lack of need for tampons or pads. Or even why you're having to take certain pills.

I know, right? How dare transgender people be attractive!

What's with this non sequitur? And do you disagree with informing potential partners of your that you are trans being the moral thing to do?

As my last few posts and above response indicate, no I'm not. However, I am criticizing your bullshit about trans people "lying" about our sex. There wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem if people didn't assume one's sex based on their gender (inb4 you start whining about this being SJW-ism going out of hand, or some such bullshit).

And the fact is, there's a lot of fuckers out there who would see an attractive trans person, and even if they were immediately upfront about being trans, said fuckers would immediately go on a rampage because the mere fact that they were attractive means they were "lying" about their sex.

Only if the potential romantic partner has to first tell people if they intend to murder them if they're trans.

Let's say someone is a Muslim or Catholic, and they are looking for a wife; it would be disingenuous for a trans person to date them knowing that they aren't what the person is looking for. It would be emotionally painful to cultivate a relationship with someone, then tell them that they have to choose between you and their deeply held convictions.

There's plenty of Catholics and bound to be more than a few Muslims (especially in the West) who wouldn't mind. And even if not, their personal comfort comes second to the trans person's safety.

Not as much as doing the immoral thing and not telling it. I doubt most would be angry about learning that someone is trans before they had sex with them, I'm quite sure most would, however, if they did learn about it after they had been tricked into having sex with them.

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

^^^

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then tell them before they become a partner.

When you don't know how they will react to being told you are trans, you know like killing the trans individual because they are trans. Is it really that hard to understand that telling a person you are trans places the trans individual directly in danger of being hurt or killed due to them being trans?

Then tell them in a public place.

[Aellex]

Huh?

I don't buy that whole "straight people can rape other men without being gays" thing. I mean, if you have butt-sex with a man to "correct his gayness", then that just makes you gay too. It's just rather stupid a logic, honestly. I think a better explanation would be gays/bi men with a lot of self-loathing and self-repression being utter cunts.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Though of course not immediately. Revealing one is trans can be very dangerous for a trans person. To reveal it shows a great deal of trust in the person they are having a relationship with.

Exactly. But we all know its something that has to be revealed at some point. Kind of hard to explain the presence of one set of parts or another during sex, for one. Also kind of hard to justify the need or lack of need for tampons or pads. Or even why you're having to take certain pills.

What's with this non sequitur? And do you disagree with informing potential partners of your that you are trans being the moral thing to do?

As my last few posts and above response indicate, no I'm not. However, I am criticizing your bullshit about trans people "lying" about our sex. There wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem if people didn't assume one's sex based on their gender (inb4 you start whining about this being SJW-ism going out of hand, or some such bullshit).

And the fact is, there's a lot of fuckers out there who would see an attractive trans person, and even if they were immediately upfront about being trans, said fuckers would immediately go on a rampage because the mere fact that they were attractive means they were "lying" about their sex.

Let's say someone is a Muslim or Catholic, and they are looking for a wife; it would be disingenuous for a trans person to date them knowing that they aren't what the person is looking for. It would be emotionally painful to cultivate a relationship with someone, then tell them that they have to choose between you and their deeply held convictions.

There's plenty of Catholics and bound to be more than a few Muslims (especially in the West) who wouldn't mind. And even if not, their personal comfort comes second to the trans person's safety.

..You are aware that telling you are trans has gotten trans individuals beaten up and killed by their partner right? So yes it places them in a great deal of danger. To tell one's partner one is trans is to place a great deal of trust in one's partner, that one's partner will not harm them.

^^^

I don't think it's ever okay to trick someone into violating their moral code.

[Grenartia]

Then tell them before they become a partner.

When you don't know how they will react to being told you are trans, you know like killing the trans individual because they are trans. Is it really that hard to understand that telling a person you are trans places the trans individual directly in danger of being hurt or killed due to them being trans?

I mean, shit, trans people have been killed by new acquaintances, with no intent on sex or romance, after they came out as trans.

[Neutraligon]

When you don't know how they will react to being told you are trans, you know like killing the trans individual because they are trans. Is it really that hard to understand that telling a person you are trans places the trans individual directly in danger of being hurt or killed due to them being trans?

Then tell them in a public place.

...Where others who hate trans people can hear? You are aware that trans people are beaten up and killed for revealing they are trans period. Even in public places.

[Aellex]

When going out and telling people you are trans places you in direct danger of being beaten up and killed yeah I have no issue with them not telling a person until they feel safe enough to tell that person. I find it interesting that you think some sort of deception is going on. What deception?

Not telling people your sex before you have sex with them. That's pretty deceptive to say the least.

[Liriena]

Indeed. Demanding that trans people always disclose that they are trans to every potential partner, even casual ones, is not reasonable given how openly trans people face a lot of danger.

Are you fucking kidding me?
You're actually encouraging trans people to go out and deceive people about their identity. Wow, that's very low. Very very low.

I'm not "encouraging" them to do anything. I trust trans people to make their own decisions there, since they probably know to whom they can come out to a lot better than my cis butt does. What I am saying is that I don't hold it against trans people when they have a hard time telling potential partners that they are trans early on, given circumstances.

Very, very low of you to misrepresent me like that, though.

[Neutraligon]

Huh?

I don't buy that whole "straight people can rape other men without being gays" thing. I mean, if you have butt-sex with a man to "correct his gayness", then that just makes you gay too. It's just rather stupid a logic, honestly. I think a better explanation would be gays/bi men with a lot of self-loathing and self-repression being utter cunts.

Since being gay means to feel actual sexual attraction I have no doubt it is possible to rape someone of the same sex without being gay. As long as there is no sexual attraction at all there is no homosexuality.

[Neutraligon]

When going out and telling people you are trans places you in direct danger of being beaten up and killed yeah I have no issue with them not telling a person until they feel safe enough to tell that person. I find it interesting that you think some sort of deception is going on. What deception?

Not telling people your sex before you have sex with them. That's pretty deceptive to say the least.

I fail to see how. If you have already transitioned then they are having sex with someone who presents entirely as their gender. If they have not transitioned then it become pretty obvious that the parts are not what you expect, and so there is still no deception taking place.

[Neutraligon]

Exactly. But we all know its something that has to be revealed at some point. Kind of hard to explain the presence of one set of parts or another during sex, for one. Also kind of hard to justify the need or lack of need for tampons or pads. Or even why you're having to take certain pills.



As my last few posts and above response indicate, no I'm not. However, I am criticizing your bullshit about trans people "lying" about our sex. There wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem if people didn't assume one's sex based on their gender (inb4 you start whining about this being SJW-ism going out of hand, or some such bullshit).

And the fact is, there's a lot of fuckers out there who would see an attractive trans person, and even if they were immediately upfront about being trans, said fuckers would immediately go on a rampage because the mere fact that they were attractive means they were "lying" about their sex.



There's plenty of Catholics and bound to be more than a few Muslims (especially in the West) who wouldn't mind. And even if not, their personal comfort comes second to the trans person's safety.



^^^

I don't think it's ever okay to trick someone into violating their moral code.

Why are you assuming a trick is taking place? Why do you assume that just because one is Catholic or Muslim having sex with a trans person is automatically breaking their moral codes?

[Khalisako]

When you don't know how they will react to being told you are trans, you know like killing the trans individual because they are trans. Is it really that hard to understand that telling a person you are trans places the trans individual directly in danger of being hurt or killed due to them being trans?

Then tell them in a public place.

It depend on the partner, how to do the reveal.

Before and upfront, or after a time of "Scoping out". If suspected there be a danger, it advised to have friend or family to accompany for a reveal.

There is no guaranteed or easy way to get aorund possibly squashing someone's expections and such tho.

[Aellex]

Since being gay means to feel actual sexual attraction I have no doubt it is possible to rape someone of the same sex without being gay. As long as there is no sexual attraction at all there is no homosexuality.

It's not possible as a man to rape someone without feeling any speck of sexual attraction. Self-repressed gays or bi at least makes more sense, sorry.