Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Communist Xomaniax]

What I want to know, is how you think you can murder priests and destroy our churches while still saying you favor freedom.

For the same reason I'm okay with clamping down on fascists and extremist groups: because ultimately it boils down to what they will do if they ever seize power. You don't have the freedom to scream fire in a theater, you don't have the freedom to advocate the enslavement of others.

[United Marxist Nations]

What I want to know, is how you think you can murder priests and destroy our churches while still saying you favor freedom.

For the same reason I'm okay with clamping down on fascists and extremist groups: because ultimately it boils down to what they will do if they ever seize power.

So, do you want to have rampant repression of literally everyone whose not a communist? Because they will also do things you don't like if they seize power.

Moreover, if you have the apparatus to destroy any dissident group you don't like, how would the Church seize power from you? If anything, it would be on the defensive.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Moreover, if you have the apparatus to destroy any dissident group you don't like, how would the Church seize power from you? If anything, it would be on the defensive.

Allowing them to openly agitate for the destruction of egalitarian communism and the enslavement and persecution of others is generally how one loses their grip on power, yes. When the church no longer seeks to establish unaccountable hierarchy, to lord over vast estates, and to rule as reactionaries, they can come back into the light.

[Jochizyd Republic]

What I want to know, is how you think you can murder priests and destroy our churches while still saying you favor freedom.

For the same reason I'm okay with clamping down on fascists and extremist groups: because ultimately it boils down to what they will do if they ever seize power. You don't have the freedom to scream fire in a theater, you don't have the freedom to advocate the enslavement of others.

DAS RITE

[United Marxist Nations]

Moreover, if you have the apparatus to destroy any dissident group you don't like, how would the Church seize power from you? If anything, it would be on the defensive.

Allowing them to openly agitate for the destruction of egalitarian communism and the enslavement and persecution of others is generally how one loses their grip on power, yes.

Then don't allow open agitation, but allow us to hold our beliefs in our own communities.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Allowing them to openly agitate for the destruction of egalitarian communism and the enslavement and persecution of others is generally how one loses their grip on power, yes.

Then don't allow open agitation, but allow us to hold our beliefs in our own communities.

I'm all for believing in whatever you want and worshiping however you want I your homes, or even in gatherings. I am against hierarchical, reactionary organizations.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Libertarian Leftists always crack me up. Freedom for their own snowflake brigade but not for anyone who disagrees with their shallow ultraliberal agenda .

[Jochizyd Republic]

Then don't allow open agitation, but allow us to hold our beliefs in our own communities.

I'm all for believing in whatever you want and worshiping however you want I your homes, or even in gatherings. I am against hierarchical, reactionary organizations.

So organized religion.

[Mattopilos]

Libertarian Leftists always crack me up. Freedom for their own snowflake brigade but not for anyone who disagrees with their shallow ultraliberal agenda .

Hey, don't lump us all in the anti-religious bandwagon. I may hate religion, but I respect the religious... so to speak.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Libertarian Leftists always crack me up. Freedom for their own snowflake brigade but not for anyone who disagrees with their shallow ultraliberal agenda .

I'm not a libertarian, nor am I a liberal. Vaguepost somewhere else pl0x

[Communist Xomaniax]

I'm all for believing in whatever you want and worshiping however you want I your homes, or even in gatherings. I am against hierarchical, reactionary organizations.

So organized religion.

Yes

[United Marxist Nations]

Then don't allow open agitation, but allow us to hold our beliefs in our own communities.

I'm all for believing in whatever you want and worshiping however you want I your homes, or even in gatherings. I am against hierarchical, reactionary organizations.

You can't allow us to worship however we want, because we require the Church to receive sacraments and maintain Holy Tradition through Apostolic succession.

[United Marxist Nations]

Libertarian Leftists always crack me up. Freedom for their own snowflake brigade but not for anyone who disagrees with their shallow ultraliberal agenda .

I'm not a libertarian, nor am I a liberal. Vaguepost somewhere else pl0x

Yeah, you're basically Stalin, but pro-degeneracy.

[Kubra]

Whoa there, no need for that tone, we don't need mods up in here

I haven't said anything objectionable. UMN wishes to subordinate society to the Church, whose official doctrine was formulated by tribal jews two thousand years ago. I made no judgements thereof, christianity is no worse than any other superstition.

"ravings of long dead tribals" can be taken offensively when it's regarding a particularly touchy subject.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Libertarian Leftists always crack me up. Freedom for their own snowflake brigade but not for anyone who disagrees with their shallow ultraliberal agenda .

I'm not a libertarian, nor am I a liberal. Vaguepost somewhere else pl0x

Far Leftists saying they aren't Liberals is bullshit. It's like Fascists decrying the definition of them as Far Right.

[Mattopilos]

I'm not a libertarian, nor am I a liberal. Vaguepost somewhere else pl0x

Far Leftists saying they aren't Liberals is bullshit. It's like Fascists decrying the definition of them as Far Right.

Liberals are pro-market... so we might have some qualities of them, but we are hardly liberals in and of themselves.

[Communist Xomaniax]

I'm all for believing in whatever you want and worshiping however you want I your homes, or even in gatherings. I am against hierarchical, reactionary organizations.

You can't allow us to worship however we want, because we require the Church to receive sacraments and maintain Holy Tradition through Apostolic succession.

Fair enough, obviously not everyone can be pleased. I'd imagine that you ultimately feel the same way, just inverted.

[United Marxist Nations]

You can't allow us to worship however we want, because we require the Church to receive sacraments and maintain Holy Tradition through Apostolic succession.

Fair enough, obviously not everyone can be pleased. I'd imagine that you ultimately feel the same way, just inverted.

Tell me, how will you succeed where the Soviet Union failed?

Would you crack down on the Church working underground, would you allow us to conduct Church services at our homes, to train our clergy? What of monastics?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Far Leftists saying they aren't Liberals is bullshit. It's like Fascists decrying the definition of them as Far Right.

Liberals are pro-market... so we might have some qualities of them, but we are hardly liberals in and of themselves.

'Liberal' at this point has turned into a Buzzword, without the word 'Social' or 'Classical' it means basically nothing because people thought it wise to use it as a insult.

[Mattopilos]

Liberals are pro-market... so we might have some qualities of them, but we are hardly liberals in and of themselves.

'Liberal' at this point has turned into a Buzzword, without the word 'Social' or 'Classical' it means basically nothing because people thought it wise to use it as a insult.

Even both of them are pro-market in some way, so my point stands on what I said. But yeah, definitely a buzzword these days to mean "Your view doesn't agree with my view" from people generally on the right or far left. I use it literally to mean "social liberal values".

[Kubra]

Fair enough, obviously not everyone can be pleased. I'd imagine that you ultimately feel the same way, just inverted.

Tell me, how will you succeed where the Soviet Union failed?

Would you crack down on the Church working underground, would you allow us to conduct Church services at our homes, to train our clergy? What of monastics?

official recognition of protestant churches that we like and are willing to play ball

[Thermodolia]

Whoa there, no need for that tone, we don't need mods up in here

I haven't said anything objectionable. UMN wishes to subordinate society to the Church, whose official doctrine was formulated by tribal jews two thousand years ago. I made no judgements thereof, christianity is no worse than any other superstition.

Hey don't piss on the Jews. We've had enough of that

[Communist Xomaniax]

I'm not a libertarian, nor am I a liberal. Vaguepost somewhere else pl0x

Far Leftists saying they aren't Liberals is bullshit. It's like Fascists decrying the definition of them as Far Right.

Yeah, I guess in bizarro land where words don't have any meaning and what we feel is true becomes truth that might be accurate, but we live in the real world where that isn't the case. Or perhaps red is blue and all muslims are just different flavors of salafist. But again, this is the real world where that isn't true.

[Thermodolia]

Liberals are pro-market... so we might have some qualities of them, but we are hardly liberals in and of themselves.

'Liberal' at this point has turned into a Buzzword, without the word 'Social' or 'Classical' it means basically nothing because people thought it wise to use it as a insult.

Unfortunately.

[Communist Xomaniax]

I haven't said anything objectionable. UMN wishes to subordinate society to the Church, whose official doctrine was formulated by tribal jews two thousand years ago. I made no judgements thereof, christianity is no worse than any other superstition.

Hey don't piss on the Jews. We've had enough of that

Fair enough, I apologize if I came off as antisemitic.