Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:58 am

Pandeeria wrote:I found the most r/shitliberalssay worthy page today.

Like seriously, what the fuck even is this doing? It shouldn't even exist. Why the fuck should we try to peacefully coexist with Nazis?!

Lol I already shared this here. It was a joke making fun of liberals.

The Grene Knyght wrote:The Democrats' reaction to Trump inspired this gem on tumblr:
(Image)
[X]

by **Pandeeria** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:02 am

Uiiop wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:I found the most r/shitliberalssay worthy page today.

Like seriously, what the fuck even is this doing? It shouldn't even exist. Why the fuck should we try to peacefully coexist with Nazis?!

| "devil worshipping anarchy praising eldritch rabbit i put the sin in wisconsin"
I'd doubt the guy's serious.

I'm not so much concerned with the poster, so much as everyone that liked it.

by **Pandeeria** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:04 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:I found the most r/shitliberalssay worthy page today.

Like seriously, what the fuck even is this doing? It shouldn't even exist. Why the fuck should we try to peacefully coexist with Nazis?!

Lol I already shared this here. It was a joke making fun of liberals.
The Grene Knyght wrote:The Democrats' reaction to Trump inspired this gem on tumblr:
(Image)
[X]

Oh ok lol, but I'm much more worried about just how many people that liked the page actually agreed with the message.

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:04 am

Pandeeria wrote:
Uiiop wrote:| "devil worshipping anarchy praising eldritch rabbit i put the sin in wisconsin"
I'd doubt the guy's serious.

I'm not so much concerned with the poster, so much as everyone that liked it.

Its mostly anarchists. This got shared heavily in the anarchist circles of tumblr. I think for the most part they get the joke.

by **Victoriala II** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:54 am

Is gun rights left wing

by **Rufford** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:01 am

Victoriala II wrote:Is gun rights left wing

Depends what sort of left winger you are. Some would argue that banning this and banning that is bad, and that you should have the right to defend yourself. And some, in this sense usually people who support the green parties, but also many other leftists, probably the majority of people on the left, would want them restricted in some way.

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:02 am

Victoriala II wrote:Is gun rights left wing

It can be, and I know many leftists who do support gun rights.

by **Conscentia** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:58 am

Victoriala II wrote:Is gun rights left wing

I don't think gun rights are necessarily left-wing or right-wing, although the reasons can be. Reasons such as wanting the democratisation of arms or to arm the workers to defend themselves against the ruling class align with left-wing thinking. Reasons such as wanting minimal state interference in the free market, even in the trade of guns, aligns more with right-libertarianism and thus right-wing thinking. People from both wings can also be opposed to gun rights and widespread gun ownership, so neither wing is especially for or against gun rights or gun ownership.

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 3:05 pm

Looks like the DAPL has been stopped!

by **Bakery Hill** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:13 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:Looks like the DAPL has been stopped!

The Army Corp of Engineers said they'd block it right? Do we know why that is?

by **Bakery Hill** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:13 pm

Far right defeated convincingly in Austria. Is Van Der Bellen a comrade? Or just another liberal?

by **Collatis** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:29 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Far right defeated convincingly in Austria. Is Van Der Bellen a comrade? Or just another liberal?

He's a left-wing green progressive. Take that as you may.

by **Bakery Hill** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:31 pm

Collatis wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Far right defeated convincingly in Austria. Is Van Der Bellen a comrade? Or just another liberal?

He's a left-wing green progressive. Take that as you may.

Do we know how is he on economics? On taxes, free trade etc?

by **Collatis** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:45 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Collatis wrote:He's a left-wing green progressive. Take that as you may.

Do we know how is he on economics? On taxes, free trade etc?

Well I imagine he would have a strong focus on environmentally friendly economic policies. In general it would be my guess that his policies would closely resemble those of social democracy.

by **Blue Pinkerton** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 4:55 pm

It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

by **Bakery Hill** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:06 pm

Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Well there's some general reading recommendations in the OP. Trotskylvania is a lefto so maybe they can help you out there?

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:25 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Looks like the DAPL has been stopped!

The Army Corp of Engineers said they'd block it right? Do we know why that is?

All I know really is that the corporation building it had their planning permission rejected.

by **Yoshida (Ancient)** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:36 pm

Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Isn't "Left-Communism" the only form of Communism?

Currently · by **The Grene Knyght** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:37 pm

Yoshida wrote:
Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Isn't "Left-Communism" the only form of Communism?

some people go left. Others go right. Me? I like to go forward. I gues thats why they call it ｐｒｏｇｒｅｓｓ /shitpost

by **FelrikTheDeleted** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:38 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Yoshida wrote:
Isn't "Left-Communism" the only form of Communism?

some people go left. Others go right. Me? I like to go forward. I gues thats why they call it ｐｒｏｇｒｅｓｓ /shitpost

Preach.

by **Yoshida (Ancient)** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:38 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Yoshida wrote:
Isn't "Left-Communism" the only form of Communism?

some people go left. Others go right. Me? I like to go forward. I gues thats why they call it ｐｒｏｇｒｅｓｓ /shitpost

There's right-wing forms of Communism?

by **Conscentia** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:39 pm

Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Rosa Luxemburg's and Anton Pannekoek's works are likely to be relevant. A few of them are listed in the OP, and you can find more of their writings in the Marxists Internet Archive which is also linked to in the OP.

Yoshida wrote:
Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Isn't "Left-Communism" the only form of Communism?

The term refers to a specific tendency in the communist movement that was opposed to both Bolshevism and Social Democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_communism

by **Roosevetania** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:39 pm

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Wacksytopia wrote:
Why?

Well, to clarify, I was talking about the last line, "Democratic socialists still believe in a market economy."
Thats just not what democratic socialism is. Socialists reject the market and end private property. Thats what socialism is

No, that's what communism is.

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Roosevetania wrote:You're thinking of communism. Socialism is different from communism. In communism, there's no private property/business and no accumulation of wealth. Democratic socialists still believe in a market economy.

If private property exists, its not socialism. Period, non-negotiable.

Communism and socialism are not synonyms.

Victoriala II wrote:Is gun rights left wing

Depends. Typically, leftists want guns more restricted than right-wing people.

by **Pandeeria** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:49 pm

Roosevetania wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Well, to clarify, I was talking about the last line, "Democratic socialists still believe in a market economy."
Thats just not what democratic socialism is. Socialists reject the market and end private property. Thats what socialism is

No, that's what communism is.
The New Sea Territory wrote:If private property exists, its not socialism. Period, non-negotiable.

Communism and socialism are not synonyms.

>Says abolition of private property isn't Socialist
>Says Communism and Socialism are not synonyms*

Ok, I think it's official. It has to be a rule that you must actually fucking know what Socialism and Communism are before posting in this thread. Or at the very least, try to have an open mind instead of boldly stating what was definitely incorrect.

*To be fair, they're technically not however Socialism is a prerequisite for Communism. And with a Socialist economy displacing the capitalist one, it's suppose to be inevitable that the state will wither away, which will lead to Communism. For all intents and purposes, they are can be used interchangeably.

by **The New Sea Territory** » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:55 pm

Blue Pinkerton wrote:It sounds kinda newb-ish, but I'm kind of interested in left communism and councilism in particular. Does anyone here suggest any literature on it?

Marxists.org section on Left-Communism and anti-Bolshevik socialism. I recommend Otto Ruhle.

Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

Preferred economic system?

Who is online