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by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:50 am
by Conscentia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:52 am
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by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:54 am
by Catochristoferson » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:04 am
Grenartia wrote:Wulfenia wrote:
Why call yourself something which now has an almost universal meaning opposite to what you believe?
Classical Social Democracy is inherently socialist. Post-war SD is pretty much a capitalist system.
There are certain people who insist that there is no difference, and stereotype myself as the latter.
by Olivaero » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:06 am
by Socialist Women » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:07 am
Grenartia wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
No offense meant, but you're not much of a democratic socialist if you think capitalism with welfare and regulation is ideal. And Chomsky is a plain anarchist.
Indeed. And I say this as a Sanders supporter, and classical Social Democrat (i.e., the one person who is stereotyped as thinking such things). Capitalism with welfare and regulation is merely a stepping stone to true socialism.
by Socialist Women » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:10 am
by Olivaero » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:15 am
Socialist Women wrote:Olivaero wrote:And whats the problem with that exactly? I wouldn't describe myself as an MRA but I don't see anything contradictory in being a communist MRA.
MRA is a right wing ideology, and goes against everything left wing. They Conservatives. Which supposedly goes against communism, despite the fact that communism as actually practiced is actually closer to fascism than anything
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:21 am
Socialist Women wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Indeed. And I say this as a Sanders supporter, and classical Social Democrat (i.e., the one person who is stereotyped as thinking such things). Capitalism with welfare and regulation is merely a stepping stone to true socialism.
Socialism has nothing to do with a collectivist USSR style Soviet Dictatorship.
And Scandinavian Socialism
by Conscentia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:27 am
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by Uiiop » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:29 am
Socialist Women wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Indeed. And I say this as a Sanders supporter, and classical Social Democrat (i.e., the one person who is stereotyped as thinking such things). Capitalism with welfare and regulation is merely a stepping stone to true socialism.
Socialism has nothing to do with a collectivist USSR style Soviet Dictatorship. And Scandinavian Socialism is in no way a "stepping stone" to communism or anything.
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:29 am
Socialist Women wrote:Olivaero wrote:And whats the problem with that exactly? I wouldn't describe myself as an MRA but I don't see anything contradictory in being a communist MRA.
MRA is a right wing ideology, and goes against everything left wing. They Conservatives. Which supposedly goes against communism, despite the fact that communism as actually practiced is actually closer to fascism than anything
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:30 am
by Trotskylvania » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:59 am
Grenartia wrote:Jelmatt wrote:
No offense meant, but you're not much of a democratic socialist if you think capitalism with welfare and regulation is ideal. And Chomsky is a plain anarchist.
Indeed. And I say this as a Sanders supporter, and classical Social Democrat (i.e., the one person who is stereotyped as thinking such things). Capitalism with welfare and regulation is merely a stepping stone to true socialism.
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by The New Sea Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:17 am
Socialist Women wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
You didn't answer my questions.
Side point, I want to live without a state. Government is a broader sense I don't take much issue with. However, I think you might brush nuance and differing definitions between these two terms in intellectual fields (political theory, sociology, philosophy) aside.
Anarchism is literally without a government and hierarchy.
Also Chomsky supports Democratic Socialism not Anarchism. He may have some inspirations from Anarchism, but really he's a democratic socialist like me.
Chomsky wrote:"You can’t have meaningful political democracy without functioning economic democracy."
Chomsky wrote:"Anarcho-syndicalism took for granted that working people ought to control their own work, its conditions, the enterprises in which they work, along with communities, so they should be associated with one another in free associations, and democracy of that kind should be the foundational elements of a more general free society."
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by The New Sea Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:30 am
Socialist Women wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Indeed. And I say this as a Sanders supporter, and classical Social Democrat (i.e., the one person who is stereotyped as thinking such things). Capitalism with welfare and regulation is merely a stepping stone to true socialism.
Socialism has nothing to do with a collectivist USSR style Soviet Dictatorship. And Scandinavian Socialism is in no way a "stepping stone" to communism or anything.
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of darkness with mystically brutal fury to dim the serene and festive exultation of the dionysian spirit of our pagan ancestors."
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by Socialist Women » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:47 am
Have you seen mras in real life? Have you?Dumb Ideologies wrote:Socialist Women wrote:MRA is a right wing ideology, and goes against everything left wing. They Conservatives. Which supposedly goes against communism, despite the fact that communism as actually practiced is actually closer to fascism than anything
Some of that is factually wrong, as Olivaero has pointed out.
But I'm more interested in your wider angle here. Do you see being left-wing as a "package deal" where all your ideas must come from the left side of the spectrum? Do particular ideas or positions immediately remove someone from the left even if the overall tendency of the person's beliefs are on that side?
by Socialist Women » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:49 am
The New Sea Territory wrote:Socialist Women wrote:Socialism has nothing to do with a collectivist USSR style Soviet Dictatorship. And Scandinavian Socialism is in no way a "stepping stone" to communism or anything.
Both of these are true, if quotes are supplied around "Scandinavian Socialism", and that's why they are both flawed.
by Wulfenia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:01 pm
Socialist Women wrote:Have you seen mras in real life? Have you?Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Some of that is factually wrong, as Olivaero has pointed out.
But I'm more interested in your wider angle here. Do you see being left-wing as a "package deal" where all your ideas must come from the left side of the spectrum? Do particular ideas or positions immediately remove someone from the left even if the overall tendency of the person's beliefs are on that side?
To answer your your other question, being left wing generally means you want more social equality. Communism puts the state above everything, while everyone else is equally poor. Kind of like a left wiglng fascism. Unlike communism, socialism puts the focus on social equality for everyone. Almost all of Denmark's policies would be considered socialist, there fore it is a socialist country.
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by Socialist Women » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:05 pm
Wulfenia wrote:Socialist Women wrote:Have you seen mras in real life? Have you?
To answer your your other question, being left wing generally means you want more social equality. Communism puts the state above everything, while everyone else is equally poor. Kind of like a left wiglng fascism. Unlike communism, socialism puts the focus on social equality for everyone. Almost all of Denmark's policies would be considered socialist, there fore it is a socialist country.
Denmark is a country which mixes welfare and collective bargaining with free market economics and private ownership of the means of production, it's not "socialist" by any stretch of the imagination. All you're doing is parroting those conservatives who think that any state-initiative in the private sphere is socialism.
The Marxist-Leninist state never spoke for all Communists and departed a lot from what Marx and Engels thought would be a dictatorship of the proletariat at the time. Though that's probably in their favor given they adapted with the times instead of staying orthodox.
by United Muscovite Nations » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:16 pm
Socialist Women wrote:Wulfenia wrote:
Denmark is a country which mixes welfare and collective bargaining with free market economics and private ownership of the means of production, it's not "socialist" by any stretch of the imagination. All you're doing is parroting those conservatives who think that any state-initiative in the private sphere is socialism.
The Marxist-Leninist state never spoke for all Communists and departed a lot from what Marx and Engels thought would be a dictatorship of the proletariat at the time. Though that's probably in their favor given they adapted with the times instead of staying orthodox.
If that isn't communist, what is? What real world examples of communism can you actually name that were as significant as the ussr? And no, I am a socialist. I'm not parroting conservatives, if anything you are. They are making claims that "demark is a communist country!!!!" and " socialism is communism!!!!"
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:10 pm
Socialist Women wrote:The New Sea Territory wrote:
You didn't answer my questions.
Side point, I want to live without a state. Government is a broader sense I don't take much issue with. However, I think you might brush nuance and differing definitions between these two terms in intellectual fields (political theory, sociology, philosophy) aside.
Anarchism is literally without a government and hierarchy. Also Chomsky supports Democratic Socialism not Anarchism. He may have some inspirations from Anarchism, but really he's a democratic socialist like me.Northern Davincia wrote:In the same manner that I believe people should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, so too does this apply to food standards.
In other words, if people want to buy food that goes past the expiration date (as long as they are informed) they should be allowed to do so. Costs would go down tremendously.
As for your banter on the removal of all other regulations, that seems irrelevant.
Health and food safety regulations exist for a reason, they keep us safe.
by The Grene Knyght » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:11 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Socialist Women wrote:Anarchism is literally without a government and hierarchy. Also Chomsky supports Democratic Socialism not Anarchism. He may have some inspirations from Anarchism, but really he's a democratic socialist like me.
Health and food safety regulations exist for a reason, they keep us safe.
But do we need a State telling us what and not to do? Pretty authoritarian imo.
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by Great Minarchistan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:12 pm
Socialist Women wrote:Almost all of Denmark's policies would be considered socialist, there fore it is a socialist country.
by The New Sea Territory » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:28 pm
Somalia, the only surviving anarchy in the world, is a lawless wasteland, while Denmark is a highly developed country with the happiest people in the world.
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