Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Korouse]

Or people that live around them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinaleda This place doesn't even have local police

Why would people even join this guy's militia?

Why do people join warlords? Money, drugs, or raw charisma

It's a moneyless society though. And it's an anarchist society so presumably people can take whatever drugs they want.

[Conscentia]

Havin' fun, buddy?

yep. I enjoy angry communists.

[Conscentia]

Why do people join warlords? Money, drugs, or raw charisma

It's a moneyless society though. And it's an anarchist society so presumably people can take whatever drugs they want.

The anarchist community in Christiania has prohibited hard drugs, so not necessarily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freetown_Christiania

[World Anarchic Union]

Personally, I find the crushing of the Spartacist Revolution and the other rebellions and even strikes that they bloodily crushed to be something wrong, as was their support for the Nazis later on. You, as I understand, don't find all these wrong so, for you the Freikorps were completely justified to attack the working class on numerous occasions because they believed that there had to be war and that Germany needed the Nazis to cleanse itself.

>Communists
>the whole Working class

Pick one and only one.

Now where did I mention the whole working class? That they attacked the working class is different from they attacked the whole working class. But, never mind. I don't believe this will go somewhere at all.

*sees new name*

What's with all these people choosing to exploit the re-name feature to mess up the capitalisation in their names?

Oh, thank God I'm not the only one noticing it.

I too was extremely confused when I first saw it. Thought NS were starting to crush.

[Nature-Spirits]

The anarchist crime and punishment thread was getting off topic, and I think the discussion should pick up from here. The topic seems to be as such:
- In the short term, how do you get the revolution off the ground, and how do you stop a person coming into power, such as it was in Cuba and the USSR and China?
- In the long term, how do you deal with counter-revolution and the organization of the communes/localized groupings? Does intervention on other communes due to human rights violations require a government?

I think this discussion belongs here, given the leftist leaning that anarchism has to it.

As I've said before, I think that in the short term, labour unions are crucial to mobilising the working class. As for keeping anyone from coming into power, I think that it's key to maintain a strong sense of democracy at all levels of society. While the struggle is ongoing, of course, charismatic figureheads are useful; however, the ability to recall delegates etc. from their positions at any time is, I think, a much needed check on power.

The long term is tricky. As an anarchist, I am opposed to prisons as they exist today; however, I think that people who pose a threat to others and to social order need to be (at least temporarily) removed from public (although they should be entitled to the same standard of living as others, and a focus should be placed on rehabilitation rather than punishment). I think that community self-policing is key, here.

As for intervention in other communes, I don't think that a government, in the present day sense, is really necessary. I do think that communication between communes is incredibly important, and that elected delegates from each commune should meet periodically. If issues arise in one commune, then the others can offer aid. And, if a dictator seizes control of a commune in spite of the focus on democracy and the lack of state power, I think that other communes should lend support to local revolutionary forces in order to depose them and help reinstate democratic organisation.

[Pandeeria]

Ok team, Stalin just died. Should I have Khrushchev, Molotov, or Beria succeed as leader of the USSR?

[Gatito]

Ok team, Stalin just died. Should I have Khrushchev, Molotov, or Beria succeed as leader of the USSR?

Pick Molotov specifically to invade Finland.

[Pandeeria]

Ok team, Stalin just died. Should I have Khrushchev, Molotov, or Beria succeed as leader of the USSR?

Pick Molotov specifically to invade Finland.

I'm more interested in Liberating Afghanistan and Pakistan. I'm pretty sure NATO would intervene if I tried to mess with Finland.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Ok team, Stalin just died. Should I have Khrushchev, Molotov, or Beria succeed as leader of the USSR?

Khrushchev

[United Marxist Nations]

Ok team, Stalin just died. Should I have Khrushchev, Molotov, or Beria succeed as leader of the USSR?

Khrushchev

NO, DON'T LISTEN TO THE CORN MAN, HE WILL DESTROY YOUR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY!

[Communist Xomaniax]

Khrushchev

NO, DON'T LISTEN TO THE CORN MAN, HE WILL DESTROY YOUR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY!

This is as opposed to Stalin jr, who will "merely" cause mass famine. :v

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

NO, DON'T LISTEN TO THE CORN MAN, HE WILL DESTROY YOUR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY!

This is as opposed to Stalin jr, who will "merely" cause mass famine. :v

What famine?

[United Marxist Nations]

NO, DON'T LISTEN TO THE CORN MAN, HE WILL DESTROY YOUR AGRICULTURAL ECONOMY!

This is as opposed to Stalin jr, who will "merely" cause mass famine. :v

The Soviet economy was in no danger of famine post 53. Regardless of the agricultural crises in 1933 and during the Great Patriotic War, Soviet agriculture had been stabilized.

[Mattopilos]

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I like your answers, and I agree with all of them - there needs to be a way to mobilize the working class and to convince others as well, and unions tend to appeal to that group. I also agree on the use of a transparent and easily shifting power system, since it removes the ability for a person to 'horde' power.
I am opposed as they are today mostly due to the focus on punishment and not rehabilitation. community policing in the sense the ACTUAL COMMUNITY polices is a good idea.
And I also agree such intervention doesn't require a government.

[Oil exporting People]

The Soviet economy was in no danger of famine post 53. Regardless of the agricultural crises in 1933 and during the Great Patriotic War, Soviet agriculture had been stabilized.

Then why did they start buying American grain as early as 1963, and become increasingly dependent on it from the mid-1970s to the end of the Cold War?

[Kubra]

But the USSR is the player character. The player can sometimes handle naval invasions decently enough. The AI cannot.

Perhaps in HOI4. In Vicky2 the AI can actually kind of kick your ass. The Americans are putting a crazy amount of soldiers on our mutual German borders and it's honestly scaring me a little. I kind of want to be backing down on certain issues just because.

Well that's because you share a border. Does this mod start with US territory on continental soil or something? In any case, chances are the US has a lot more soldiers in the US proper, enough to fuck you up. But hey, you'll never see em. Pull some shitty allies in bumfuck nowhere africa or SE asia that the US forces attacking from sea can play with while you rack up the real warscore in the continent.

[Kubra]

The Soviet economy was in no danger of famine post 53. Regardless of the agricultural crises in 1933 and during the Great Patriotic War, Soviet agriculture had been stabilized.

Then why did they start buying American grain as early as 1963, and become increasingly dependent on it from the mid-1970s to the end of the Cold War?

"Post 1953" is a bit of a small window, because it lasts only until 1958. It kinda went downhill from there.
And the answer for that is simple: good policy is usually made evident in the long term, bad policy usually sets in pretty quickly. Khrushchev and company wanted reforms that would immediately bolster agricultural production, and instead immediately fucked it.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Hey guys, I have a leftist discord chat, TG me for an invite

[Pandeeria]

Perhaps in HOI4. In Vicky2 the AI can actually kind of kick your ass. The Americans are putting a crazy amount of soldiers on our mutual German borders and it's honestly scaring me a little. I kind of want to be backing down on certain issues just because.

Well that's because you share a border. Does this mod start with US territory on continental soil or something? In any case, chances are the US has a lot more soldiers in the US proper, enough to fuck you up. But hey, you'll never see em. Pull some shitty allies in bumfuck nowhere africa or SE asia that the US forces attacking from sea can play with while you rack up the real warscore in the continent.

Well they US starts off with owning half of west Germany due to the occupation zone. But yeah they are wayyyyyy ahead of the rest of the world in both military and industrial score. I think maybe in a protracted war I could manage to wrestle mainland Europe under my control, but I don't want to take risks.

[The Grene Knyght]

wow holy shit. With just days to spare, Obama finally commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning. She's gonna be released in May 2017, rather than 2045...

[Korouse]

Hey guys, I have a leftist discord chat, TG me for an invite

We tried making one of those before. Didn't really work out but there was good discussion for about 2 weeks until it just became meh. And we couldn't put it on the OP since OP was ded.

I'd think making an *official* leftist discord, with elected moderators and all, would be pretty cool.

[Deutsche Demokratische Reich]

There has been... interesting recent events with r/socialism and females with feline features, what are members of LWDT's opinion on the matter?

[Conscentia]

Hey guys, I have a leftist discord chat, TG me for an invite

We tried making one of those before. Didn't really work out but there was good discussion for about 2 weeks until it just became meh. And we couldn't put it on the OP since OP was ded.
I'd think making an *official* leftist discord, with elected moderators and all, would be pretty cool.

If you set one up I could add it to the OP, assuming there aren't any reasonable objections.

[Autonomous Titoists]

There has been... interesting recent events with r/socialism and females with feline features, what are members of LWDT's opinion on the matter?

That was a few days ago, also another view of reddit's laughable moderation team. It sparked a whole shit load of people trying to discuss issues that led to their banning or temporary ban. Mods here are way better.

[PaNTuXIa]

Personally, I find the crushing of the Spartacist Revolution and the other rebellions and even strikes that they bloodily crushed to be something wrong, as was their support for the Nazis later on. You, as I understand, don't find all these wrong so, for you the Freikorps were completely justified to attack the working class on numerous occasions because they believed that there had to be war and that Germany needed the Nazis to cleanse itself.

>Communists
>the whole Working class

Pick one and only one.

ftfy