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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:26 am

Italios wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:They will adhere to our philosophy. It is inevitable. You're just using this as an excuse to break with us over the pineapple question. Please let's not be Trotskyists about this, it's a Popular Front after all.

ONLY as long as the Three Noble Principles (baking, shoewearing, membership debate) are acknowledged and given the utmost respect.

Consider it a deal comrade.

On a more serious note, I do find myself agreeing more and more with you on the proletarian morality thing. Speaking from experience, the state of the left on college campuses is in shambles - especially because literally no one outside of the school system wants anything to do with it, and for good reason. I do agree that the left needs a major overhaul if we're ever going to be taken seriously beyond like one tiny corner of the Internet.

It's a sad state isn't it? There are some shining lights out there though. Have you heard of Angela Nagle? I'd highly recommend her.
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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:47 am

Grenartia wrote:who has a fetish for trans girls


That's UMN in a nutshell.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:56 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:And good luck trying to gain popular public support with hardlines and citing european philosophers the majority of people cant even prounce right. Adapt or die. :?


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Dumb Ideologies
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:43 am

War Gears wrote:
Grenartia wrote:who has a fetish for trans girls


That's UMN in a nutshell.


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Postby Alsheb » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:49 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Italios wrote:ONLY as long as the Three Noble Principles (baking, shoewearing, membership debate) are acknowledged and given the utmost respect.

Consider it a deal comrade.

On a more serious note, I do find myself agreeing more and more with you on the proletarian morality thing. Speaking from experience, the state of the left on college campuses is in shambles - especially because literally no one outside of the school system wants anything to do with it, and for good reason. I do agree that the left needs a major overhaul if we're ever going to be taken seriously beyond like one tiny corner of the Internet.

It's a sad state isn't it? There are some shining lights out there though. Have you heard of Angela Nagle? I'd highly recommend her.


I can't find much about her, except for a reference on Jacobin. Who is she?
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Al Hashka
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Postby Al Hashka » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:55 am


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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:29 am

War Gears wrote:
Grenartia wrote:who has a fetish for trans girls


That's UMN in a nutshell.

And thus the debate about whether Traps are gay or not set alight the LWDT like it did the RWDT before!
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(Also, just in case anyone is wondering, traps do are gays :p )
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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 10:32 am

Purity.

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Valgora
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Postby Valgora » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:22 pm

Aellex wrote:
War Gears wrote:
That's UMN in a nutshell.

And thus the debate about whether Traps are gay or not set alight the LWDT like it did the RWDT before!
Image



(Also, just in case anyone is wondering, traps do are gays :p )


Traps are only gay if they do gay things.

So there is not a universal traps are gay or they are not gay, due to the fact that it is most likely impossible that all traps will have the same sexual preference.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:17 pm

If you're gonna go into this philosophical discussion, at least go all in:

Suppose, for sake of argument, that traps are but a species within the genus of women, just as tall women are. This would mean that traps are women, which would make it not gay to love them. However, insofar as traps are a distinct species of women, it must be fundamentally gay to love them, for the differentia of traps is the quality of having been raised as a boy. If one were to be a lover of tall women to the exclusion of women of other heights, we would say that one is a lover of tallness. Likewise, if one were to love trap-women to the exclusion of other women, we would say that the person is a lover of the differentiating quality of traps, that quality being that they were raised as boys. Thus, this person would be straight in some ways, but gay in others; therefore, as long as there is a distinction between trap-women and other women, then loving traps is a little bit gay, then, surely, it is gay.
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Postby Valgora » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:If you're gonna go into this philosophical discussion, at least go all in:

Suppose, for sake of argument, that traps are but a species within the genus of women, just as tall women are. This would mean that traps are women, which would make it not gay to love them. However, insofar as traps are a distinct species of women, it must be fundamentally gay to love them, for the differentia of traps is the quality of having been raised as a boy. If one were to be a lover of tall women to the exclusion of women of other heights, we would say that one is a lover of tallness. Likewise, if one were to love trap-women to the exclusion of other women, we would say that the person is a lover of the differentiating quality of traps, that quality being that they were raised as boys. Thus, this person would be straight in some ways, but gay in others; therefore, as long as there is a distinction between trap-women and other women, then loving traps is a little bit gay, then, surely, it is gay.


My argument was simply about whether or not traps are gay.

If we have a discussion about whether or not traps themselves are gay, it will lead to a discussion of the sexual preferences, specifically of traps. If a trap like those who are, in fact, males, then it can be said that the trap in question is gay; however, if the trap is one who likes those who are female, then it can not be said that the trap is gay, but a trap most likely feels that they are a female so them liking females would actually be gay. Of course, if the trap doesn't feel like they are a female, then them liking a female can't really be considered gay.

Therefore, I stand by my original argument, that traps are, in fact, not 100% gay.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:32 pm

New discussions in lwdt thread i wonder what's go-
>are traps gay?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:33 pm

Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:34 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

Yes.
Pol Pot was right all along.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:36 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?
only if ur term papers touch
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:38 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

No, why would you ever think that?

*hides family history of academia*
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

No, why would you ever think that?

*hides family history of academia*

*stares in Cambodian*
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:42 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

Yes.
Pol Pot was right all along.

Image

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Postby Kubra » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:44 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, why would you ever think that?

*hides family history of academia*

*starves in Cambodian*
fix'd
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Postby -Jochistan- » Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:57 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Fellas..........................are academics bourgeoisie?

Yes. That doesn't mean they can't betray their class though. It's not too late for anyone able to work.

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Postby Tekeristan » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:39 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Relevant.

You seem to enjoy this. :P

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:42 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Relevant.

You seem to enjoy this. :P

It was a labor of love, I assure thee.
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Postby Collatis » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Relevant.

oh boy

pretty sure WRA would just shoot everyone

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Postby Valgora » Sun Oct 29, 2017 7:50 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Relevant.

You seem to enjoy this. :P


I enjoy being able to edit the players with characters from TV shows.

"Daryl hunts for other tributes."
"Jon Snow receives explosives from an unknown sponsor."
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