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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:38 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


Now I ain't no leftie muh socialist friend, but I am against that degeneracy stuff — may I join this committee of yours? (Read in hillbilly accent).

EDIT: Inb4 I see "comrades of the left"

Don't worry comrade, you will be.
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:38 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Some would look at churches and hours of prayers and think the same thing. They are often outsiders to the thing in question.

People like community, acceptance, and friendship. The fur community is one of the most of that out there, woosh.

The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.


Which explains why I have trouble paying attention in church.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Some would look at churches and hours of prayers and think the same thing. They are often outsiders to the thing in question.

People like community, acceptance, and friendship. The fur community is one of the most of that out there, woosh.

The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.

They didnt call the quakers quakers for nothing.
I have never actually attended a church sermon..

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:39 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Don't worry comrade, you will be.


It has been foretold!

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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:*shrug*


Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

Whatever the verb form of furry that I'm allowed to say on here is a bourgeois degeneracy. It's excessive and wasteful.


So are you in favor of getting rid of video games, television, and other forms of entertainment?

Because even though I detest the whole thing immensely, it's a lot more sociable than killing a bunch of fake Goths in the name of your fake Rome.
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:40 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.

They didnt call the quakers quakers for nothing.
I have never actually attended a church sermon..


You are not missing out.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:40 pm

Valgora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.


Which explains why I have trouble paying attention in church.

What church do you attend? I've always found the Orthodox liturgy to be very aesthetically pleasing, even if that's not necessarily its purpose.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:40 pm

Kassaran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Sargon amuses me. I disagree with him on most points, but still find his content entertaining for the most part. Thunderf00t is better though, imho.

I used to watch Thunderf00t, but his separation from the skeptics was done dirty and I personally share the opinion it was done disingenuously. I won't discredit him for it though, he did a lot of good work and still does. I just don't really feel like following up with him anymore after seeing the fallout of it all.

Then again, most people in here are probably simmering at the mentioning of you tubers because somehow the medium is the quality and not the arguments or what have you.


I can't stand either of them. That's why I watch hbomberguy.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:41 pm

Valgora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.


Which explains why I have trouble paying attention in church.

It serves a different purpose. Not everything is about instant gratification, even as a non-Christian that seems obvious to me. The left has to get out of this adolescent frame of mind where we think everything has to be fun and games.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:41 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Any responsible socialist society would institute harsh criminal punishments for furry activities.


Only for Nazi furs. :^)
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:41 pm

What the hell even is the "skeptic" community?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:42 pm

War Gears wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Whatever the verb form of furry that I'm allowed to say on here is a bourgeois degeneracy. It's excessive and wasteful.


So are you in favor of getting rid of video games, television, and other forms of entertainment?

Because even though I detest the whole thing immensely, it's a lot more sociable than killing a bunch of fake Goths in the name of your fake Rome.

I'd be in favor of considering certain aspects of them to be bad. Entertainment is not necessarily bad (e.g. it's not immoral for a man and wife to have pleasure in each other), but the degree of resources put into fursuits and the like is excessive, as is the sensual aspect of it. It's entertainment without moderation.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:42 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Which explains why I have trouble paying attention in church.

It serves a different purpose. Not everything is about instant gratification, even as a non-Christian that seems obvious to me. The left has to get out of this adolescent frame of mind where we think everything has to be fun and games.

Care to better define?

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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:43 pm

Tekeristan wrote:I dont care for "degeneracy" cause it aint my business. Leave people be i say, majority of people are fine.


I view it the same way I do golden showers, 2 girls 1 cup, and other such fetishes. If you're into that sort of thing, it's okay. But don't bring me into it.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:44 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Any responsible socialist society would institute harsh criminal punishments for furry activities.


Only for Nazi furs. :^)

That's two crimes and two sentences.
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Which explains why I have trouble paying attention in church.

What church do you attend? I've always found the Orthodox liturgy to be very aesthetically pleasing, even if that's not necessarily its purpose.


As a child, I went to Catholic school and HAD to go to church every Thursday as part of the school day.
On weekends, I would stay with my grandmother and went to Baptist services every Sunday. I mostly drew on paper and daydreamed during service.

After moving, I went to a United Methodist church. It wasn't that bad, it was somewhat interesting sometimes, but it's still boring depending on what's going on during service.

Now black churches, that's a different story. Really energetic and much more lighthearted, especially the songs and singing.

Anyways, I don't really go to church anymore.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:44 pm

War Gears wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:I dont care for "degeneracy" cause it aint my business. Leave people be i say, majority of people are fine.


I view it the same way I do golden showers, 2 girls 1 cup, and other such fetishes. If you're into that sort of thing, it's okay. But don't bring me into it.

I find those things immoral because I view them as insulting to the dignity of humanity.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
War Gears wrote:
So are you in favor of getting rid of video games, television, and other forms of entertainment?

Because even though I detest the whole thing immensely, it's a lot more sociable than killing a bunch of fake Goths in the name of your fake Rome.

I'd be in favor of considering certain aspects of them to be bad. Entertainment is not necessarily bad (e.g. it's not immoral for a man and wife to have pleasure in each other), but the degree of resources put into fursuits and the like is excessive, as is the sensual aspect of it. It's entertainment without moderation.

The resources are, nonetheless, paid for.
Im sorry not everyone wants to live frugile, peasantish lives in an age of industrial and coputerized economies? The standards of living have shifted a good lot.

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:44 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


Cannot tell if being ironic or not.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:45 pm

Valgora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What church do you attend? I've always found the Orthodox liturgy to be very aesthetically pleasing, even if that's not necessarily its purpose.


As a child, I went to Catholic school and HAD to go to church every Thursday as part of the school day.
On weekends, I would stay with my grandmother and went to Baptist services every Sunday. I mostly drew on paper and daydreamed during service.

After moving, I went to a United Methodist church. It wasn't that bad, it was somewhat interesting sometimes, but it's still boring depending on what's going on during service.

Now black churches, that's a different story. Really energetic and much more lighthearted, especially the songs and singing.

Anyways, I don't really go to church anymore.

Try this on for size: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxtJ_4T98sI
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Republican Corentia wrote:Anyone in this thread organize IRL?

PSL member here

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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
War Gears wrote:
So are you in favor of getting rid of video games, television, and other forms of entertainment?

Because even though I detest the whole thing immensely, it's a lot more sociable than killing a bunch of fake Goths in the name of your fake Rome.

I'd be in favor of considering certain aspects of them to be bad. Entertainment is not necessarily bad (e.g. it's not immoral for a man and wife to have pleasure in each other), but the degree of resources put into fursuits and the like is excessive, as is the sensual aspect of it. It's entertainment without moderation.


The same could be said about video games or television. The degree of resources put into those things are wasted a lot more than they are by a small minority.

Really, it's pretty obvious you just find the whole thing disgusting and are just trying really hard, at the expense of logical consistency, to come up with a reason to condemn it.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:45 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


Cannot tell if being ironic or not.

Irony is, and always shall be, beneath me.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:46 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
War Gears wrote:
I view it the same way I do golden showers, 2 girls 1 cup, and other such fetishes. If you're into that sort of thing, it's okay. But don't bring me into it.

I find those things immoral because I view them as insulting to the dignity of humanity.

We wont see eye to eye on it, as our preception of death and "glory" are fundamentally diffetent, but i frown at the premise of dignity some, but largely only in the sense of people trying to police others. Aint yo beezwax, is what the kids said years ago.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:46 pm

War Gears wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'd be in favor of considering certain aspects of them to be bad. Entertainment is not necessarily bad (e.g. it's not immoral for a man and wife to have pleasure in each other), but the degree of resources put into fursuits and the like is excessive, as is the sensual aspect of it. It's entertainment without moderation.


The same could be said about video games or television. The degree of resources put into those things are wasted a lot more than they are by a small minority.

Really, it's pretty obvious you just find the whole thing disgusting and are just trying really hard, at the expense of logical consistency, to come up with a reason to condemn it.

If someone spends an excessive amount of money on video games and television, that is also sinful.
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