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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:16 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.


When you have a Klan meeting right after the furry convention.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:16 pm

Liriena wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
What am I looking at?

The living proof of a theory of mine: by sheer statistic probability, there's probably at least one white supremacist in every decently sized group, no matter how diametrically opposed to that group's very identity it may seem.

The far right can keep furries and anime.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:17 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's cute and occasionally sexy. And mostly harmless.

If you find dressing up as a non-human being sexy, then that shows the problem in the furry groups.

Eh, for most furries there's nothing sexual about their fursonas. It's just something fun and cute they do. Like being a Trekkie but without the cool sci-fi mythos and with really, really, really expensive costumes.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
What am I looking at?

The living proof of a theory of mine: by sheer statistic probability, there's probably at least one white supremacist in every decently sized group, no matter how diametrically opposed to that group's very identity it may seem.


My eyes currently burn. I must scream but my mouth does not move. The internet does it again.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Liriena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If you find dressing up as a non-human being sexy, then that shows the problem in the furry groups.

Eh, for most furries there's nothing sexual about their fursonas. It's just something fun and cute they do. Like being a Trekkie but without the cool sci-fi mythos and with really, really, really expensive costumes.

That doesn't conform with all the furries I have been unlucky enough to come across.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:19 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.

Furries are fucking weird, the only question is the degree to which they are weird. They are daily reminder that the internet was a mistake.

I like furries.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:20 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:The living proof of a theory of mine: by sheer statistic probability, there's probably at least one white supremacist in every decently sized group, no matter how diametrically opposed to that group's very identity it may seem.

The far right can keep furries and anime.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-te ... -alt-right

Foxler Nightfire?

Bloody Foxler goddamn Nightfire?

What sort of dumb fursona name is that? Ugh!
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Furries are fucking weird, the only question is the degree to which they are weird. They are daily reminder that the internet was a mistake.

I like furries.

I would encourage you to stop comrade.
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Furries are fucking weird, the only question is the degree to which they are weird. They are daily reminder that the internet was a mistake.

I like furries.


I find the idea of anthropomorphic animals to be pretty cool actually.

And now that I think about it, I kinda created my own fursona by complete accident by making this nation.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The far right can keep furries and anime.

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-te ... -alt-right

Foxler Nightfire?

Bloody Foxler goddamn Nightfire?

What sort of dumb fursona name is that? Ugh!

Fursona itself is a cringeworthy term tbf
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:21 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:Eh, for most furries there's nothing sexual about their fursonas. It's just something fun and cute they do. Like being a Trekkie but without the cool sci-fi mythos and with really, really, really expensive costumes.

That doesn't conform with all the furries I have been unlucky enough to come across.

*shrug*

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:I like furries.

I would encourage you to stop comrade.

Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(
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I am:
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An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:That doesn't conform with all the furries I have been unlucky enough to come across.

*shrug*

Bakery Hill wrote:I would encourage you to stop comrade.

Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(


Then join Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy name WIP comrade.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:22 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:That doesn't conform with all the furries I have been unlucky enough to come across.

*shrug*

I have traveled in anarchist circles friend. That's what I've seen.

Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

If you were forced to make a choice, would it be difficult?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:That doesn't conform with all the furries I have been unlucky enough to come across.

*shrug*

Bakery Hill wrote:I would encourage you to stop comrade.

Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

Whatever the verb form of furry that I'm allowed to say on here is a bourgeois degeneracy. It's excessive and wasteful.
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:24 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:Foxler Nightfire?

Bloody Foxler goddamn Nightfire?

What sort of dumb fursona name is that? Ugh!

Fursona itself is a cringeworthy term tbf

For a game i play there are sometimes a lizard race you can play. It is usually named something akin to Does - the - Thing. So for examplw soothes the wounds or drinks the booze.

The most edgy name ive seen a while out of that was Betrays - Its - Kin. :?

But in the end i cant care what people like to do in such fashions in the end.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:25 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:*shrug*

I have traveled in anarchist circles friend. That's what I've seen.

Anarchist furries are best furries, though. :3

Bakery Hill wrote:
Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

If you were forced to make a choice, would it be difficult?

Yes. :P
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I am:
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:25 pm

Valgora wrote:
Liriena wrote:*shrug*


Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(


Then join Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy name WIP comrade.

Yay! :3
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:25 pm

My argonian name was Toad-Among-Snakes.

I'm not sorry, or a furry.

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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:26 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Liriena wrote:*shrug*

I have traveled in anarchist circles friend. That's what I've seen.

Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

If you were forced to make a choice, would it be difficult?


I half to ask: if the Committee for Proletarian Morality hates furries, what's its stance on Bronies?
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:*shrug*


Don't make me choose between Marxism and furries, dude. :(

Whatever the verb form of furry that I'm allowed to say on here is a bourgeois degeneracy. It's excessive and wasteful.

Some would look at churches and hours of prayers and think the same thing. They are often outsiders to the thing in question.

People like community, acceptance, and friendship. The fur community is one of the most of that out there, woosh.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:28 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I have traveled in anarchist circles friend. That's what I've seen.

Anarchist furries are best furries, though. :3

In that they demonstrate how far anarchism has fallen.

Yes. :P

Then to be quite honest, you are probably not a good socialist. The freedom to be seuxally weird is being placed in a lot of SJ left discourse alongside issues that actually important in social life which is distressing.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:29 pm

Valgora wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I have traveled in anarchist circles friend. That's what I've seen.


If you were forced to make a choice, would it be difficult?


I half to ask: if the Committee for Proletarian Morality hates furries, what's its stance on Bronies?

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:31 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


Now I ain't no leftie muh socialist friend, but I am against that degeneracy stuff — may I join this committee of yours? (Read in hillbilly accent).

EDIT: Inb4 I see "comrades of the left"
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Postby Tekeristan » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:32 pm

I dont care for "degeneracy" cause it aint my business. Leave people be i say, majority of people are fine.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:37 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Whatever the verb form of furry that I'm allowed to say on here is a bourgeois degeneracy. It's excessive and wasteful.

Some would look at churches and hours of prayers and think the same thing. They are often outsiders to the thing in question.

People like community, acceptance, and friendship. The fur community is one of the most of that out there, woosh.

The purpose of the church ceremony is very different. Dressing in expensive fursuits and doing whatever the hell they do in them is for their enjoyment. Church ceremonies are not for the audience's pleasure.
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