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PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:45 pm
by Albrenia
Sargon amuses me. I disagree with him on most points, but still find his content entertaining for the most part. Thunderf00t is better though, imho.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:54 pm
by Kassaran
Albrenia wrote:Sargon amuses me. I disagree with him on most points, but still find his content entertaining for the most part. Thunderf00t is better though, imho.

I used to watch Thunderf00t, but his separation from the skeptics was done dirty and I personally share the opinion it was done disingenuously. I won't discredit him for it though, he did a lot of good work and still does. I just don't really feel like following up with him anymore after seeing the fallout of it all.

Then again, most people in here are probably simmering at the mentioning of you tubers because somehow the medium is the quality and not the arguments or what have you.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:55 pm
by Genivaria
Kassaran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Sargon amuses me. I disagree with him on most points, but still find his content entertaining for the most part. Thunderf00t is better though, imho.

I used to watch Thunderf00t, but his separation from the skeptics was done dirty and I personally share the opinion it was done disingenuously. I won't discredit him for it though, he did a lot of good work and still does. I just don't really feel like following up with him anymore after seeing the fallout of it all.

Then again, most people in here are probably simmering at the mentioning of you tubers because somehow the medium is the quality and not the arguments or what have you.

Youtube is acceptable for people presenting their views and arguments in an organized way, but it is not a place to find actual evidence.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:56 pm
by Albrenia
Kassaran wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Sargon amuses me. I disagree with him on most points, but still find his content entertaining for the most part. Thunderf00t is better though, imho.

I used to watch Thunderf00t, but his separation from the skeptics was done dirty and I personally share the opinion it was done disingenuously. I won't discredit him for it though, he did a lot of good work and still does. I just don't really feel like following up with him anymore after seeing the fallout of it all.

Then again, most people in here are probably simmering at the mentioning of you tubers because somehow the medium is the quality and not the arguments or what have you.


Yeah, Thunderf00t did not handle that whole deal very well at all.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:01 pm
by Kassaran
Genivaria wrote:Youtube is acceptable for people presenting their views and arguments in an organized way, but it is not a place to find actual evidence.

Hence why I enjoy watching Sargon. He is generally pretty good all around at providing evidence when it is needed and giving citations, nevermind that he usually just spends his time unravelling other's arguments. I've particularly been enjoying his recent series on Third World cultures. Didn't even know about half that stuff in the first place and only had heard of the rest from generalized statements that made it seem like less of an issue than it actually is.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:14 pm
by Bakery Hill
Nature-Spirits wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:You called?

Pffft morality is a spook.

Spooks are a spook, along with everything else that's important to a society.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:18 pm
by Bakery Hill
Any responsible socialist society would institute harsh criminal punishments for furry activities.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:41 pm
by Bakery Hill
Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:49 pm
by War Gears
Kassaran wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Youtube is acceptable for people presenting their views and arguments in an organized way, but it is not a place to find actual evidence.

Hence why I enjoy watching Sargon. He is generally pretty good all around at providing evidence when it is needed and giving citations, nevermind that he usually just spends his time unravelling other's arguments. I've particularly been enjoying his recent series on Third World cultures. Didn't even know about half that stuff in the first place and only had heard of the rest from generalized statements that made it seem like less of an issue than it actually is.


Sargon isn't a very good arguer, from the little I remember about him. No one who wants to be taken seriously should quote Road to Serfdom.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:51 pm
by Italios
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as I have done in their signature. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill

5. reprimand people (with force if necessary) who put pineapple on their pizza

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:54 pm
by Bakery Hill
Italios wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as I have done in their signature. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill

5. reprimand people (with force if necessary) who put pineapple on their pizza

Be careful. We socialists have split over less.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:46 pm
by Nature-Spirits
Kassaran wrote:Bread alone does not sustain a man and all that good stuff.

Image

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:49 pm
by Albrenia
Beard intensifies as well, it seems.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:52 pm
by Nature-Spirits
Bakery Hill wrote:
Italios wrote:5. reprimand people (with force if necessary) who put pineapple on their pizza

Be careful. We socialists have split over less.

Splitters!

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:52 pm
by Valgora
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


I already want to split from this.

I shall create a group called, Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:01 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Nature-Spirits wrote:
Kassaran wrote:Bread alone does not sustain a man and all that good stuff.

Image

You wouldn't download bread.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:10 pm
by Bakery Hill
Valgora wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Hearken comrades! Our society is faced not just with an economic crisis but a moral and spiritual one! Emanating from the base of a rotting economy and fetid institutions the stink of late capitalist bourgeois degeneracy emerges, like some deadly miasma, to poison our hearts and minds at this pivotal moment of struggle. But we are no longer defenceless! The Committee for Proletarian Morality now stands as a great bulwark of the toiling classes against the onrushing bourgeois decadence and degeneracy that emanates from the dastardly alt-right, the ostensibly centrist liberalism and quite sadly our own leftist comrades.

Members of the Committee pledge to:

1. Tut disapprovingly at individualist libertine hedonism, and where relevant dismantle it's philosophical premises.
2. Relentlessly disparage furries and their ilk.
3. Say "that's weird", or words to that effect, when people are talking about weird shit.
4. Uphold and promote a rigorous and vitalic proletarian morality, based in the common sense traditions of our class.


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We call on all moral comrades of the left to join the committee, and advertise it as demonstrated above. Together we can overcome degeneracy! For the promotion of proletarian virtue and the prevention of bourgeois vice! Onwards to the final victory!

- Bakery Hill


I already want to split from this.

I shall create a group called, Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy

Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:25 pm
by Valgora
Principles of the Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy:

1. To encourage individualistic libertine hedonism while encouraging mutual aid.
2. Approving and supporting comrades who are also furries.
2 B. Rewrite the Communist Manifesto and/or other leftist texts using furry online chatspeak which includes: UwU, OwO, and... what ever the fuck this is - :3c.
3. Accepting and allowing people to talk about weird shit with or without saying "that's weird"; and understanding that weird shit, can also be cool shit.
4. Dismantle traditional ideals about morality and unless traditions that lack value.

Notice: this is a work in progress and if anyone would be willing to help make this, that would be hilarious and awesome.

Revision of principle two: after the smoking of much weed, it has come to the conclusion that 2B needs to be changed or there needs to be the creation of 2C. 2B either should include bronyspeak or 2C should be the rewriting of leftist literature in bronyspeak.
This is to preferably be done while either drunk, high, or both.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:12 pm
by Liriena
Bakery Hill wrote:
Valgora wrote:
I already want to split from this.

I shall create a group called, Leftists for Proletarian Degeneracy

Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:13 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.

It's a demeaning of the human form.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:14 pm
by Liriena
United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liriena wrote:No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.

It's a demeaning of the human form.

It's cute and occasionally sexy. And mostly harmless.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:14 pm
by FelrikTheDeleted
Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.


What am I looking at?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:15 pm
by Bakery Hill
Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Good idea. And we can have a debate down the local about whether furries are fucked up or not. Good luck comrade. :^)

No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.

Furries are fucking weird, the only question is the degree to which they are weird. They are daily reminder that the internet was a mistake.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:15 pm
by United Muscovite Nations
Liriena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's a demeaning of the human form.

It's cute and occasionally sexy. And mostly harmless.

If you find dressing up as a non-human being sexy, then that shows the problem in the furry groups.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:15 pm
by Liriena
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Liriena wrote:No need for a debate on furries. It's all fairly simple: all furries are wonderful... except this one.


What am I looking at?

The living proof of a theory of mine: by sheer statistic probability, there's probably at least one white supremacist in every decently sized group, no matter how diametrically opposed to that group's very identity it may seem.