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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Postby Trotskylvania » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:06 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?


I am not knowledgeable on this discussion. All I know is that the artist didn't sexualize them and it was pretty much entirely a stylistic choice.

All he is saying is that kemomimi (animal ears and tails on humans) isn't furry
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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:13 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Collatis wrote:That's far from the best reason to ban furry comics.


Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.


As a child, it was conservatives railing on about "sexualization." now it seems some leftists have taken up the cause.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:36 pm

War Gears wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.


As a child, it was conservatives railing on about "sexualization." now it seems some leftists have taken up the cause.

I miss the good ole days.
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Postby Jelmatt » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:41 pm

War Gears wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.


As a child, it was conservatives railing on about "sexualization." now it seems some leftists have taken up the cause.


That was what /r/socialism used to label it misogynistic. I'm saying it wasn't and that the subreddit's mods were looking way too far into it.
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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:09 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
War Gears wrote:
As a child, it was conservatives railing on about "sexualization." now it seems some leftists have taken up the cause.


That was what /r/socialism used to label it misogynistic. I'm saying it wasn't and that the subreddit's mods were looking way too far into it.


I don't disagree. Just pointing out it's ironic how the trend changed.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:20 pm

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:23 pm

MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.

Deprived of the proletarian work ethic in society, such depravity is inevitable. The working class is a major bedrock of society, that it has been largely dismantled in the developed world as a coherent group leaves open degeneration of communist thought and ethics, as the "bourgeois-proletarians" (per Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism) replace all key positions in working class movements.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:24 pm

MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.

Aren't humans animals?
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:25 pm

MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.


But furries (antro-beings, whatever) ain't the same as animals.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:25 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.

Aren't humans animals?

Don't be a pedant.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Aren't humans animals?

Don't be a pedant.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.

This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?

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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:28 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Aren't humans animals?

Don't be a pedant.

I'm not being a pedant, I'm being accurate.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:29 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't be a pedant.

I'm not being a pedant, I'm being accurate.

When I talk about people wanting to fuck animals, normal people understand what I mean. You understand what I mean. However, you want to annoy people, so you point out technicalities, with no real argument behind your points. That's being a pedant. Nobody likes pedants.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:31 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'm not being a pedant, I'm being accurate.

When I talk about people wanting to fuck animals, normal people understand what I mean. You understand what I mean. However, you want to annoy people, so you point out technicalities, with no real argument behind your points. That's being a pedant. Nobody likes pedants.

Did it work? :^)
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Oct 28, 2017 3:36 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't be a pedant.

I'm not being a pedant, I'm being accurate.

If you value using correct scientific jargon over using conventional language, you're a pedant.
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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.

Deprived of the proletarian work ethic in society, such depravity is inevitable. The working class is a major bedrock of society, that it has been largely dismantled in the developed world as a coherent group leaves open degeneration of communist thought and ethics, as the "bourgeois-proletarians" (per Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism) replace all key positions in working class movements.


> says this while being a petit-bourgeois who owns a cabin.

Uh-huh.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:19 pm

Neo-liberal, signing on. Why am I not included in the poll... ;-;
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:21 pm

Kassaran wrote:Neo-liberal, signing on. Why am I not included in the poll... ;-;

Because get out. :p
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:24 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that being against getting horny for animals should not be a controversial position.

Aren't humans animals?


Humans are organic, biological beings like every other living thing. But I consider the word "animal" to refer to non-human biological beings.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:26 pm

B-but, I want to be noticed.

Anyways, the RWDT was orignarly where I thought to be, but upon hearing some of the less logical arguments they were coming up with, I decided to shrug and walk away for some time before turning round to look here.
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"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:27 pm

Humans are animals, not all living things are. I wouldn't consider bacteria and the like to be 'animals', as such.

Secondly, cat ears and tail would seem pretty furry to me, but if the 'experts' say it's not, I'll take their word for it.

Lastly, we lefties are an odd bunch, aren't we?

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:27 pm

Kassaran wrote:B-but, I want to be noticed.

Anyways, the RWDT was orignarly where I thought to be, but upon hearing some of the less logical arguments they were coming up with, I decided to shrug and walk away for some time before turning round to look here.

The left and right wing threads don't just mean liberal/socialist or conservative/capitalist.
But ALL ideologies that happen to be on their branches including things like anarchism and theocracy.

So yes it can be a bit tiring if you identify as closer to the center.
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Postby Valgora » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:29 pm

Albrenia wrote:Humans are animals, not all living things are. I wouldn't consider bacteria and the like to be 'animals', as such.

Secondly, cat ears and tail would seem pretty furry to me, but if the 'experts' say it's not, I'll take their word for it.

Lastly, we lefties are an odd bunch, aren't we?


For simplicity reasons, I consider animal ears and tail to be furry enough to be considered a furry.

And yes, we are a very odd bunch.
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Postby Kassaran » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:33 pm

Well, I'll admit I'm a rather big fan of the skeptics community, more directly Sargon. My major issue in RWDT is they seem to be of the idea that if someone uses YouTube as their medium for communication, they're trash... and they don't have to explain why because 'it should be obvious pleb'.

So, if that's what RWDT is, I was hoping the other side wasn't so much that, and might (ironically given the current status of the more vocal fringe groups of the left right now) actually be willing to put some support rather than feelings and generalizations into what they say. You know, qualitative stuff and all that. Bread alone does not sustain a man and all that good stuff.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:33 pm

War Gears wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
That was what /r/socialism used to label it misogynistic. I'm saying it wasn't and that the subreddit's mods were looking way too far into it.


I don't disagree. Just pointing out it's ironic how the trend changed.


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