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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri Oct 27, 2017 7:04 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

The left is its own worst enemy. Whether or not this is a good thing remains open to interpretation.


That could be said of most ideologies though - they are their own worst enemies in some cases because they fail to attract people for their own interest.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:04 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:I'd say my preffered economic system is communism or syndicalism. I'm not entirely sure which would be better to build a revolution on.


It's the internet, everybody likes anime.

Catgirls and Catboys don't count. :^)


whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

Good times
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Postby War Gears » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:05 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
-Jochistan- wrote:I'd say my preffered economic system is communism or syndicalism. I'm not entirely sure which would be better to build a revolution on.


It's the internet, everybody likes anime.

Catgirls and Catboys don't count. :^)


whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"


I miss the catgirl comics.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:11 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

Good times

Incident?
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Oct 27, 2017 8:14 pm

Genivaria wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Good times

Incident?

r/socialism banned some furry comics because they were sexist or something I'm not entirely sure and there was a big uproar over it
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Postby Collatis » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:35 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Incident?

r/socialism banned some furry comics because they were sexist or something I'm not entirely sure and there was a big uproar over it

That's far from the best reason to ban furry comics.

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Postby Aillyria » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:39 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Incident?

r/socialism banned some furry comics because they were sexist or something I'm not entirely sure and there was a big uproar over it

Good, very good. Furries are a result of bourgeoise moral degradation.
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Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Mattopilos II » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:14 pm

Collatis wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:r/socialism banned some furry comics because they were sexist or something I'm not entirely sure and there was a big uproar over it

That's far from the best reason to ban furry comics.


Something something CATGIRLS R SEXIST
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:22 pm

>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

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Postby Aillyria » Fri Oct 27, 2017 10:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

I-I'm not one of you dirty reds! I could never be!

Yas join the red side!!! Market socialism is best socialism.
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Jelmatt » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:01 pm

Collatis wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:r/socialism banned some furry comics because they were sexist or something I'm not entirely sure and there was a big uproar over it

That's far from the best reason to ban furry comics.


Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.
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Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:02 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Collatis wrote:That's far from the best reason to ban furry comics.


Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.

This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.

This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?


GET THE CHART UMN! I'd like to see it.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:08 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?


GET THE CHART UMN! I'd like to see it.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:10 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
GET THE CHART UMN! I'd like to see it.

Image


Many thanks.

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Postby -Jochistan- » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
whenever the left and catgirls come up, I can't help but think of the r/socialism "incident"

The left is its own worst enemy. Whether or not this is a good thing remains open to interpretation.

Very true. I blame the French.

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Postby Herador » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:41 am

-Jochistan- wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The left is its own worst enemy. Whether or not this is a good thing remains open to interpretation.

Very true. I blame the French.

There aren't many things you can't blame on the French, English, or both.
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Postby Alsheb » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:11 am

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

I-I'm not one of you dirty reds! I could never be!

Yas join the red side!!! Market socialism is best socialism.


Meh. It's better than nothing :p
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Postby Aellex » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:29 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
GET THE CHART UMN! I'd like to see it.

Image

Image

Everything above (and including) 1 is furry and therefore petit bourgeois decadence.
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:37 am

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

I-I'm not one of you dirty reds! I could never be!

Yas join the red side!!! Market socialism is best socialism.


For once, we agree.
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Postby Victoriala II » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:32 am

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

I-I'm not one of you dirty reds! I could never be!

Yas join the red side!!! Market socialism is best socialism.

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Postby War Gears » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:07 am

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> talking up Cold War era Yugoslavia to a friend with such enthusiasm that he looks into market socialism

I-I'm not one of you dirty reds! I could never be!

Yas join the red side!!! Market socialism is best socialism.


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Postby Bakery Hill » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:32 am

Aellex wrote:Where is the good Proletarian morality when you need it?

You called?
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:10 pm

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Aellex wrote:Where is the good Proletarian morality when you need it?

You called?

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Postby Jelmatt » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Not even furry comics. The artist in question is the person who drew the subreddit's banner, and the comic was essentially a political soapbox for her (she is socialist) but since the characters had cat ears and tails that's a no-no. No sexualization or anything, just had cat ears and tails for whatever reason.

This. Neko is not furry, do I have to get the chart?


I am not knowledgeable on this discussion. All I know is that the artist didn't sexualize them and it was pretty much entirely a stylistic choice.
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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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