Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Herador]

Anime is the opiate of the masses, used by the normie bourgeoisie to control the memes of production.


Hard to yiff when it's -10 C

Wouldn't sex increase body temperature?

Also, don't forget the fur. Especially if it's a canine.

It'd also use up much-needed energy, fur piles would work for only so long before they become unsustainable.

[Collatis]

What the fuck happened here?

[The Parkus Empire]

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

Furries to the gulag tbh

Yes. It's an innately capitalist disease.

[Herador]

Furries to the gulag tbh

Yes. It's an innately capitalist disease.

How much does a fursuit cost?

QED

[United Muscovite Nations]

What the fuck happened here?

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

[Herador]

What the fuck happened here?

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

Camus would be proud.

[Collatis]

What the fuck happened here?

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

ok that makes perfect sense

[United Muscovite Nations]

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

ok that makes perfect sense

No problem, if you ever have any questions, I'm always available.

[Salus Maior]

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

Just because you said that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3txRySd2g4E

[Pilarcraft]

Gift economy? Polyamory? Veganism? Is this the future anarchists want?

Yes

eh. not so sure on Veganism.
don't take away my food. it's mine.

[Pilarcraft]

What the fuck happened here?

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

honestly, true.
instead of debating or discussing ideologies, we're... what? Meme-ing ourselves by "[] is a bourgeoisie concept"
ugh.
it's almost like it's all meaningless

[Crysuko]

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

honestly, true.
instead of debating or discussing ideologies, we're... what? Meme-ing ourselves by "[] is a bourgeoisie concept"
ugh.
it's almost like it's all meaningless

This is why I will never take nihilism seriously. It all sounds like the philosophy of the moody teenager.

[Pilarcraft]

honestly, true.
instead of debating or discussing ideologies, we're... what? Meme-ing ourselves by "[] is a bourgeoisie concept"
ugh.
it's almost like it's all meaningless

This is why I will never take nihilism seriously. It all sounds like the philosophy of the moody teenager.

I mean, different types of it make some sense, but the form of it most common in the Millenial generation is kinda... well, exactly like you said. it's almost like a bunch of moody teens gathered around to make an ideology.

[Kubra]

Our society has reached a singularity beyond which it cannot function. As a result, politics, both left and right wing (as can be seen in both threads) are meaningless, and instead of discussing ideology, both Left and Right wing resort now to sharing cute anime girls and hating on furries, as they must embrace the absurdity of their own existence, because no meaning is left in society.

honestly, true.
instead of debating or discussing ideologies, we're... what? Meme-ing ourselves by "[] is a bourgeoisie concept"
ugh.
it's almost like it's all meaningless

it's just a bit of bants
I mean hey a heavy reliance in theoretical political discussion is most of why the lwdt tends slower than the rwdt
it ain't fun, not one bit

[Crysuko]

There are other left wing sites where mere discussion of identity politics nets you an instant no warning ban.

Also, it somewhat annoys me that libertarian socialist has become analogous to anarchist.

[Pilarcraft]

what really grinds my gears is that Right-wingers keep saying "you can't be libertarian or anarchist and communist"
Like.
dude.
Anarchism is political, not economic. same with Libertarianism. it's really a shame that Libertarianism has started having an economic meaning in the US.

[Kubra]

what really grinds my gears is that Right-wingers keep saying "you can't be libertarian or anarchist and communist"
Like.
dude.
Anarchism is political, not economic. same with Libertarianism. it's really a shame that Libertarianism has started having an economic meaning in the US.

libertarianism was originally a sort of euphemism for anarchists not to sound so, well, impolite. Same with Marxism and social democracy. The two terms have really taken quite a life of their own, haven't they?

[Pilarcraft]

what really grinds my gears is that Right-wingers keep saying "you can't be libertarian or anarchist and communist"
Like.
dude.
Anarchism is political, not economic. same with Libertarianism. it's really a shame that Libertarianism has started having an economic meaning in the US.

libertarianism was originally a sort of euphemism for anarchists not to sound so, well, impolite. Same with Marxism and social democracy. The two terms have really taken quite a life of their own, haven't they?

Unlike some ideologies (examples for it being Communism and Fascism), Socialism is inherently Economic and not Social/Political at all (it's too broad for politics, because in reality its irrelevant to the state)
But Anarchism and Libertarianism are both purely political and social in nature. There's nothing economic about "The State shouldn't exist".
the fact that the average American Libertarian thinks Libertarianism is a type of economy, and then continues to say "you can't be left and libertarian" really pisses me off.

[Al Hashka]

[Kubra]

libertarianism was originally a sort of euphemism for anarchists not to sound so, well, impolite. Same with Marxism and social democracy. The two terms have really taken quite a life of their own, haven't they?

Unlike some ideologies (examples for it being Communism and Fascism), Socialism is inherently Economic and not Social/Political at all (it's too broad for politics, because in reality its irrelevant to the state)
But Anarchism and Libertarianism are both purely political and social in nature. There's nothing economic about "The State shouldn't exist".
the fact that the average American Libertarian thinks Libertarianism is a type of economy, and then continues to say "you can't be left and libertarian" really pisses me off.

Anarchism isn't simply "the state shouldn't exist" tho. Proudhons writings were almost entirely on the matter of economic topics, and the later anarchists of note (bakunin, kropotkin) took a very healthy interest in the subject. It was Bakunin who produced the first russian translation of Marx's Capital. The right libertarian is right: it is a type of economy, or at least a particular approach to the question of political economy.

[Pilarcraft]

Unlike some ideologies (examples for it being Communism and Fascism), Socialism is inherently Economic and not Social/Political at all (it's too broad for politics, because in reality its irrelevant to the state)
But Anarchism and Libertarianism are both purely political and social in nature. There's nothing economic about "The State shouldn't exist".
the fact that the average American Libertarian thinks Libertarianism is a type of economy, and then continues to say "you can't be left and libertarian" really pisses me off.

Anarchism isn't simply "the state shouldn't exist" tho. Proudhons writings were almost entirely on the matter of economic topics, and the later anarchists of note (bakunin, kropotkin) took a very healthy interest in the subject. It was Bakunin who produced the first russian translation of Marx's Capital. The right libertarian is right: it is a type of economy, or at least a particular approach to the question of political economy.

I have to disagree on you with that.

Mutualists, Collectivist Anarchists, Anarcho Communists, Anarcho Syndicalists, Anarcho Socialists, Individualist Anarchists, Egoist Anarchists and the rest don't all agree on one common form of economics (in fact, some of them aren't even left-wing at all).
that's my point. Just how Socialism (an economic ideology) can have schools of thought that aren't identical, or even close, to each other where politics are concerned, Anarchism (and, it's less Freedom-loving cousin, Libertarianism), is primarily a socio-political school of thought, based on destroying social orders and The State.

[Kubra]

Anarchism isn't simply "the state shouldn't exist" tho. Proudhons writings were almost entirely on the matter of economic topics, and the later anarchists of note (bakunin, kropotkin) took a very healthy interest in the subject. It was Bakunin who produced the first russian translation of Marx's Capital. The right libertarian is right: it is a type of economy, or at least a particular approach to the question of political economy.

I have to disagree on you with that.

Mutualists, Collectivist Anarchists, Anarcho Communists, Anarcho Syndicalists, Anarcho Socialists, Individualist Anarchists, Egoist Anarchists and the rest don't all agree on one common form of economics (in fact, some of them aren't even left-wing at all).
that's my point. Just how Socialism (an economic ideology) can have schools of thought that aren't identical, or even close, to each other where politics are concerned, Anarchism (and, it's less Freedom-loving cousin, Libertarianism), is primarily a socio-political school of thought, based on destroying social orders and The State.

They do not. Most Marxist do not. But that doesn't change the fundamentals of the school of thought and its emphasis on the economic.
In any case, it's enough to say that during the tumultuous events of the past 2 centuries anarchists generally chose their side of a barricade or firing line with the socialists, for better or worse.

[Trotskylvania]

libertarianism was originally a sort of euphemism for anarchists not to sound so, well, impolite. Same with Marxism and social democracy. The two terms have really taken quite a life of their own, haven't they?

Unlike some ideologies (examples for it being Communism and Fascism), Socialism is inherently Economic and not Social/Political at all (it's too broad for politics, because in reality its irrelevant to the state)
But Anarchism and Libertarianism are both purely political and social in nature. There's nothing economic about "The State shouldn't exist".
the fact that the average American Libertarian thinks Libertarianism is a type of economy, and then continues to say "you can't be left and libertarian" really pisses me off.

You're not really making anything approaching a coherent semantic distinction though, nor does your semantic argument reflect the broad trend in terminological usage.

On the most basic level, the distinction between politics and economics is entirely artificial. There has been an ideological need in neo-liberal capitalism to treat the two as separate, as though the interactions of capitalist economy had no political component. This ends in the ideological drive for the unfettered "free market," as though private property and money were not creatures of the state.

More to the point, I'm not satisfied with conventional thinking on the subject of socialism. It's no more sophisticated than the crass meme "Socialism is where the government does stuff, and the more stuff the government does the more socialister it is."

The only really coherent definition of socialism is the negation of capitalism. Anything that leaves the value form, capitalist relations, private property, money and/or wages intact isn't socialist, it's political management of the excesses of capitalist contradiction. And while most socialists would say they are against capitalism, they advance the kinds of politics that manages capitalist excess and so preserves the institution of capital. They're the left-wing of capital, not its opposition.

[War Gears]

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

If animal-human hybrids ever become a thing, I will put aside all my differences with my fellow man and become a straight out human supremacist.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

If animal-human hybrids ever become a thing, I will put aside all my differences with my fellow man and become a straight out human supremacist.

I'll be basking in the deluge of cat girls.