Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Aillyria]

If you're denying any virtue in Marxism then why are you in this thread in the first place tbh

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

[MERIZoC]

Not in its entirety.

That's not a very meaningful statement, since I accept aspects of Marx and I am even not a leftist.

Ok?

[Collatis]

Not in its entirety.

That's not a very meaningful statement, since I accept aspects of Marx and I am even not a leftist.

Attesting to his influence.

[Syndicated Shyr]

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

Modern social democrats.

There are anarchists and I believe a few other types of leftists that don't follow Marxian theory 100%.
I know an anarcho-syndicalist from Instagram who likes Marxism (I believe the example was Marxism-Luxemburgism), but said "transition state is a fuck".

But modern social democrats are the ones who truly reject Marxian theory. Of course, I'm not sure we should call them leftists.

I'm a classical IWA Rocker-inspired Anarcho-Syndicalist, I do not like marxism one bit but I still believe we have enough common ground regarding our goal that I could support a cooperation of all open-minded left-wingers ...even marxian social democrats.
But no stalinists and their immitators, they're just another oppressive bunch. And no Third-Way "Social Democrats" either, they're just liberals with a red tint.

[Trotskylvania]

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

My gott, pure ideology.

Seriously tho, Bakunin is the only one of the three who isn't pure dreck at theory, and he's the try-hard adventurist who never met a lost cause he didn't fall in love with.

[Bakery Hill]

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

My gott, pure ideology.

Seriously tho, Bakunin is the only one of the three who isn't pure dreck at theory, and he's the try-hard adventurist who never met a lost cause he didn't fall in love with.

Hey can you just shut up about Nechayev, he talked a good talk man.

[Kubra]

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

My gott, pure ideology.

Seriously tho, Bakunin is the only one of the three who isn't pure dreck at theory, and he's the try-hard adventurist who never met a lost cause he didn't fall in love with.

Proudhon was not terrible at theory, so long as it was economic. I don't agree with it, but let's not be unfair.

[War Gears]

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

Good, good.

Never really thought about it, but Sorel would probably appeal a lot to Muslims with his concept of moral regeneration.

[Victoriala II]

If you're denying any virtue in Marxism then why are you in this thread in the first place tbh

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

Checc my sig

[Thermodolia]

I've been called a fascist and a Tankie.

Edit: Also I've been called an anti-Semite.

Welcome to the club. I'm apparently simultaneously a fascist and a communist.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've been called a fascist and a Tankie.

Edit: Also I've been called an anti-Semite.

Welcome to the club. I'm apparently simultaneously a fascist and a communist.

These feels.
Though to be fair, "Don't shoot, i'm a syndicalist!" may have worked on basically every side of WW2. Then again, Stalin.

[Aellex]

These feels.
Though to be fair, "Don't shoot, i'm a syndicalist!" may have worked on basically every side of WW2. Then again, Stalin.

True. Both sides would have shot you.

[Nazbol Pudding Club]

I've been called a fascist and a Tankie.

Edit: Also I've been called an anti-Semite.

Welcome to the club. I'm apparently simultaneously a fascist and a communist.

It happens. The trigglypuff wing of NSG's libertarians like their snarl words regular and interchangeable no less than any of the other doctrinaire loons.

Wise man say: don't get mad, get a parody nation.

[Ostroeuropa]

These feels.
Though to be fair, "Don't shoot, i'm a syndicalist!" may have worked on basically every side of WW2. Then again, Stalin.

True. Both sides would have shot you.

Ah.
Right.
Speaking English, bugger. And clearly a deserter.

[War Gears]

Welcome to the club. I'm apparently simultaneously a fascist and a communist.

These feels.
Though to be fair, "Don't shoot, i'm a syndicalist!" may have worked on basically every side of WW2. Then again, Stalin.

Stalin was an equal opportunity murderer. It didn't matter what your race, political ideology, or personal affiliations were. You got the gulag.

[The Eternal Aulus]

There are plenty of leftists who reject Marxian theory.

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

Based. Combine it with Jamaat Sufism and you get some nice lulz. Anarcho-Sufism when.

[War Gears]

<----- Economic leftist who's anti-marxist.

I prefer Proudhon, Sorel, or Baikunin.

Based. Combine it with Jamaat Sufism and you get some nice lulz. Anarcho-Sufism when.

Back in his socialist days, Mussolini was good friends with an anarcho-Sufist woman. But I suspect she had an Orientalist or modern liberal concept of it because she committed quite a number of things against the religion (such as crossdressing and advocating free love iirc).

[Kubra]

Welcome to the club. I'm apparently simultaneously a fascist and a communist.

It happens. The trigglypuff wing of NSG's libertarians like their snarl words regular and interchangeable no less than any of the other doctrinaire loons.

Wise man say: don't get mad, get a parody nation.

can you really whine about invectives while using invectives

[Proctopeo]

It happens. The trigglypuff wing of NSG's libertarians like their snarl words regular and interchangeable no less than any of the other doctrinaire loons.

Wise man say: don't get mad, get a parody nation.

can you really whine about invectives while using invectives

Yes, yes you can. Assuming they don't use their snarl words "regular[ly] and interchangeabl[y]", it's not hypocritical.

[Improved werpland]

Thoughts on Tankies, like these?

„It is impossible to mix Islam with Marxism which is a materialistic ideology but I think that mixing Shariah law with some elements of planned economy would be a great system for the whole world civilisation, especially for the Middle East”

edit: added comma

[Genivaria]

Thoughts on Tankies like these?

„It is impossible to mix Islam with Marxism which is a materialistic ideology but I think that mixing Shariah law with some elements of planned economy would be a great system for the whole world civilisation, especially for the Middle East”

Absolute garbage.

[Kubra]

can you really whine about invectives while using invectives

Yes, yes you can. Assuming they don't use their snarl words "regular[ly] and interchangeabl[y]", it's not hypocritical.

>regularly
check 1
>interchangeably
I mean, you'll have to define your terms.

[Bakery Hill]

Thoughts on Tankies, like these?

„It is impossible to mix Islam with Marxism which is a materialistic ideology but I think that mixing Shariah law with some elements of planned economy would be a great system for the whole world civilisation, especially for the Middle East”

edit: added comma

Insh'allah this will not come to pass.

[Grenartia]

Nobody ever uses it in its original sense any more, aside from pretentious libertarians. Adjust your linguistics accordingly for minimal confusion in the future.

1. Says the socialist who continually insists to be called a "social democrat."

I'm just saying, when actual fascists were positively comparing his rule to their fascism, he's pretty fucking fash.

2. Have you stopped to consider that maybe Fascism and Bolshevism both had their origins in socialism and that's the reason for the numerous similarities, instead of Stalin being a covert fascist?

1. Classical Social Democrat. Get it fucking right.

2. I fully acknowledge that Fascism came from Mussolini wanting to mix certain elements of socialism with right-wing nationalism, to create broad appeal. I reject that it was actually socialist, however. As for Bolshevism, Lenin was alright. But it was nowhere near achieving socialism when Lenin died, and Stalin distorted it, increasingly towards fascism. No wonder Lenin wanted Trotsky to succeed him.

Nah, she was a fucking reactionary.

In what sense?

What do you mean, "in what sense"? She spent her whole fucking career bitching about how altruism is a mental disorder and society as a whole needed to revert back to selfishness.

[Pilarcraft]

Sorry here, but I had a question regarding anarchism.
How do Anarchists deal with criminals?
Like, I know by abolishing Private Property, most of the types of crime can't technically happen (you can't steal something if everything belongs to everyone, for example), but there are some kinds of crime that exist nonetheless. unless it's a utopia, Rape, and Murder will happen for one reason or the other. so, how do left-wing anarchists deal with a murderer in their community?
or, Idk, how do we deal with someone who claims to own a means of production and closes it to the public use?