Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Valgora]

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

Marx created an entire sociological theory, even though he wasn't a sociologist.

It would be pretty hard to find someone who truly believes in the Structural-Functionalism Theory.

[Liriena]

The man is one of the most influential figures in sociological, philosophical, political, and economic theory to ever live. His theories compose the backbone of modern sociology. His work inspired political parties, labor unions, revolutions, and major social movements. To say Marx accomplished little, regardless of your opinion of Marxism, is laughably false.

I said he accomplished little in his lifetime.
Reading comprehension is important.

Also, why does Engels get nothing in global recognition compared to Marx?

Maybe Engels' work simply did not resonate as much with people in the long run as Marx's did, beyond the Communist Manifesto?

[Threlizdun]

The man is one of the most influential figures in sociological, philosophical, political, and economic theory to ever live. His theories compose the backbone of modern sociology. His work inspired political parties, labor unions, revolutions, and major social movements. To say Marx accomplished little, regardless of your opinion of Marxism, is laughably false.

I said he accomplished little in his lifetime.
Reading comprehension is important.

He was an influential social theorist during his lifetime that had a major role in the the First International, so yeah, he accomplished much more in his life than most people can expect to. Or you can just call me a dumbass for thinking one of the most famous names in history was important.

Also, why does Engels get nothing in global recognition compared to Marx?

His beard was less glorious.

[Kubra]

nah I don't like potatoes around the isles, that lot can't season em worth a damn, can't even properly salt french fries.

Someone's never had a spicebag :'(

chipper food, ya'll can thank multiculturalism for showing you how a potato is seasoned

[Northern Davincia]

I said he accomplished little in his lifetime.
Reading comprehension is important.

Also, why does Engels get nothing in global recognition compared to Marx?

Maybe Engels' work simply did not resonate as much with people in the long run as Marx's did, beyond the Communist Manifesto?

My theory is that, because Engels actually had to work for a living, he was less popular by default.

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

Marx created an entire sociological theory, even though he wasn't a sociologist.

It would be pretty hard to find someone who truly believes in the Structural-Functionalism Theory.

The popularity of an idea does not match how truthful it is.

[Thermodolia]

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

[Napkiraly]

Well Mao was an exceptional case. As I've said before, easterners are very different from westerners. In weird ways. Weird for us, anyways.

idk about sweet potatoes but cmon potatoes are the best crop period. Delicious, calorie dense, really great fried, what more do you want?

Eh, I'd say Pol "Kill everyone with eyeglasses" Pot takes the cake for greatest exception.

And oi'm half Irish, so I concur regarding potatoes. Damn Sassanachs an' their Potato Famines.

This explains practically everything.

[Valgora]

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

Except it is a very highly respected theory in sociology. And, I would say most people, if they knew more about sociology, would agree that the idea of conflict theory is indeed true.

To compare Conflict Theory to the flat earth theory and the belief that the moon landing was faked, is fucking stupid.

[The Grene Knyght]

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

Comparing 'truth' regarding a fact and a sociological theory is a silly thing to do. The two aren't comparable in the way you're implying.

[Northern Davincia]

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

Except it is a very highly respected theory in sociology. And, I would say most people, if they knew more about sociology, would agree that the idea of conflict theory is indeed true.

To compare Conflict Theory to the flat earth theory and the belief that the moon landing was faked, is fucking stupid.

Many people would agree with a large number of philosophies if they knew more about it than the alternative.

[Tekeristan]

There are a lot of people believe in the Conflict Theory.

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

My favorite place to look at things with conflict theory was the options the south had after bacon's rebellion

Offer more economic and political opportunities to poor whites
Or re-structure society under the basis of class and race with black slavery

Can you guess which route they took across all the southern colonies?

[Thermodolia]

There are a lot of people who believe that the world is flat and that the moon landing was faked. Doesn't make it true

Comparing 'truth' regarding a fact and a sociological theory is a silly thing to do. The two aren't comparable in the way you're implying.

I'm just saying that saying a lot of people believe therefore it's true is a really dumb argument to make

[Trotskylvania]

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

[Kubra]

Is Adam Smith only valid if one gets into a tarriff war

[Northern Davincia]

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

This implies that Marxism is impossible on account of human nature.

[Bakery Hill]

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

This implies that Marxism is impossible on account of human nature.

lol wut

[Bakery Hill]

I said he accomplished little in his lifetime.
Reading comprehension is important.

Also, why does Engels get nothing in global recognition compared to Marx?

Maybe Engels' work simply did not resonate as much with people in the long run as Marx's did, beyond the Communist Manifesto?

He actually wrote some good shit, but Marx was the big man. He wrote Capital after all.

[Genivaria]

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

This implies that Marxism is impossible on account of human nature.

Never liked 'human nature' as an argument for literally anything.

[Valgora]

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

This implies that Marxism is impossible on account of human nature.

Not really.

And anyways, human nature changes according to the material conditions placed upon it.
Alternatively, since human nature is animalistic, what truly makes us human is us fighting against our own human nature.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Marx's school of thought hardly deserves credit when literally no one in recorded history has actually practiced it.

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

you cant struggle against marxism because it doesn't exist


fig. 1: people acting out against nothing, how delusional

[Trotskylvania]

This is not even wrong.

To call it wrong would imply you were at least in the same system as the subject you think you are criticizing.

There is no such thing as a Marxist system because revolutions are not made by ideologies, they are made by people. This is what the whole of Marx's work was dedicated to exploring: the conflict between individuals and ultimately classes over the control of resources, the relations between classes as part of the vast social organism that is society.

Revolution occurs not because anyone is putting forward some utopian plan. People struggle against their intolerable conditions, which exploit and alienate them, and through that struggle they build new relations out of the ashes of the old.

you cant struggle against marxism because it doesn't exist


fig. 1: people acting out against nothing, how delusional

I'm not sure what phantom you think you're arguing against.

Because the Soviet Union and the East Bloc were state capitalist dictatorships that maintained all of the exploitative elements of capitalism at the barrel of a gun, and could only survive as long as they kept the population convinced there wasn't a better way while they were all clapping their hands and make believing that they were building socialism.

Some of the largest mass worker movements in history occurred in East Bloc states aimed explicitly against the phony socialism and for actual working class power: East Germany in 1952, Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968.

[War Gears]

Your ad hominems are duly noted.

Do adulterous parasitic child-abandoning dropouts deserve love?

Being a decent human being is a spook anon. So sayeth the obscure German schoolteacher.

Not really.

And anyways, human nature changes according to the material conditions placed upon it.

Along with countless other environmental factors.

Social and psychological factors play just as much a role as "material conditions."

[MERIZoC]

I said he accomplished little in his lifetime.
Reading comprehension is important.

Also, why does Engels get nothing in global recognition compared to Marx?

Maybe Engels' work simply did not resonate as much with people in the long run as Marx's did, beyond the Communist Manifesto?

Engels didn't even contribute that much to the Communist Manifesto. He was the guy who financed the whole thing (and Marx's drinking habits), and ended up getting his name slapped on it.

[Trotskylvania]

Maybe Engels' work simply did not resonate as much with people in the long run as Marx's did, beyond the Communist Manifesto?

Engels didn't even contribute that much to the Communist Manifesto. He was the guy who financed the whole thing (and Marx's drinking habits), and ended up getting his name slapped on it.

And wrote The Conditions of the Working Class in England, Anti-Duhring, and The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State

And served as an officer in numerous organizations, from the Communist League to the International Workingman's Association.

And edited all of Marx's work, and contributed to its development.

And served as the executor to Marx's literary work after he passed.

Don't sell my boy Freddy short.

[Herador]

Engels didn't even contribute that much to the Communist Manifesto. He was the guy who financed the whole thing (and Marx's drinking habits), and ended up getting his name slapped on it.

And wrote The Conditions of the Working Class in England, Anti-Duhring, and The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State

And served as an officer in numerous organizations, from the Communist League to the International Workingman's Association.

And edited all of Marx's work, and contributed to its development.

And served as the executor to Marx's literary work after he passed.

Don't sell my boy Freddy short.

But mostly it was the booze money. Never write sober.