Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Trotskylvania]

Prussia is the absolute synthesis

i think

Abstract (masculinity) + negation (femininity) = concrete (traps)

Traps are the end result of the historical process of mankind.

[Victoriala II]

Prussia is the absolute synthesis

i think

Abstract (masculinity) + negation (femininity) = concrete (traps)

Traps are the end result of the historical process of mankind.

that sounds gay

[Bakery Hill]

Ah I see you're a man of taste Hegel as well.

> when Hegel never actually used this dialectic.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Hegel taught me this himself. Please spread your Italian conspiracies elsewhere.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Prussia is the absolute synthesis

i think

Abstract (masculinity) + negation (femininity) = concrete (traps)

Traps are the end result of the historical process of mankind.

This post speaks to me on a spiritual level.

[Isentria]

That implies Hitler actually had a real understanding of economics or goals besides krieg. Ernst Rohm, the Strasser brothers, even Goebbels were all socialists who admired the Soviet Union. By the late 1930's, the Nazi state was intruding more and more into the realm of private enterprise because totalitarian states cannot allow anything to exist outside it's domain. Populism was an important part of Fascism and they played it for maximum effects with mass rallies, uniforms, and a cult of action largely inspired by the anarchists.

The only "real" Fascist dictatorships that come to mind are Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, both of whom were radicalizing again by the late 30's.

Where would the Clerical Fascists like Tiso and Codreanu enter into this?

Tiso was less a fascist and more of a, let's say, fundamentalist. The aim was to break the border between state and church, and nothing more (aside the creation of the Slovak state itself).
As for Codreanu and, subsequently, Sima, they were indeed an odd bunch, those Iron Guards. Codreanu's writings, which were admittedly stylistically decent, were more focused on spiritual than material thinking. It had quite a religious element because it solely focused on the spirit, and while one could see some social aspects, they too mimic religious aspects. For instance, his insisting of a not wealthy leadership for his nation can be compared to orders of monks who deprived themselves of wealth to be closer to their God.
As for Sima, he managed to get some power, but it turned out to be a nothing but a plot by the state head, Antonescu.

But, you leave out two probably better examples of clerical fascism: the Rex and the Ustashe. While far more realist and materialistic than the Iron Guard, they were still not as clerical as Tiso's clerical authoritarianism, so, they prove examples of more proper fascism mixed with a dependency on religious aspects in society and government.
Of course, we can't speak much of the Rex, for it burned out rather quickly and failed it's goal to rule Belgium, but we can at least focus on it's leader, Degrelle.
Degrelle has noted time and again how the end goal, for him at least, of an axis victory would be a new socialist revolution.
As for the Ustashe, while indeed they held government, due to massive rebellions throughout Croatia at that time, I do believe that they were unable to perform any major changes to the economy. Unlike the beforehand mentioned clero-authoritarianist Tiso, the Ustashe have had a long history of being nurtured by the proper Fascists in Italy. It was made quite evident by their leader, Ante Pavelic, that their ideology seemed worker oriented, claiming to bring all the capital to the hands of the workers.

Then, aside clerical fascism in general, why not mention an quite left fascist, Jose Antonio and his Falangists? As I recall, he did praise Marx and agree with him on all but religion. The proper Falangists, before being taken over by Franco, were anti-monarchist syndicalists after all. It is no surprise that Jose Antonio was a decently liked figure in both left and right circles.

[MERIZoC]

Solidarity with the IWW comrade murdered today.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Solidarity with the IWW comrade murdered today.

Who?

[The New Sea Territory]

Solidarity with the IWW comrade murdered today.

Who?

I don't think the name is out, but the counter-protester in Cville run over by a car was an IWW member.

[MERIZoC]

Who?

I don't think the name is out, but the counter-protester in Cville run over by a car was an IWW member.

And 2 DSA and 1 ISO members confirmed injured so far.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Who?

I don't think the name is out, but the counter-protester in Cville run over by a car was an IWW member.

Oooooh.

[War Gears]

Solidarity with the IWW comrade murdered today.

Solidarity to all people murdered by Fascists and Anarchists.

[Olerand]

I don't think the name is out, but the counter-protester in Cville run over by a car was an IWW member.

Oooooh.

IWW as in the union? What are the chances this small union was even present there? Small world.

[Bakery Hill]

Oooooh.

IWW as in the union? What are the chances this small union was even present there? Small world.

It has a disproportionate role in activism relative to its actual numbers.

[MERIZoC]

Oooooh.

IWW as in the union? What are the chances this small union was even present there? Small world.

IWW does a lot of organizing, you can find them in a lot of places.

[Victoriala II]

Solidarity with the IWW comrade murdered today.

Solidarity to all people murdered by Fascists and Anarchists.

woa where did that come from.

[Ramune and Chocolate]

Solidarity to all people murdered by Fascists and Anarchists.

woa where did that come from.

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[Victoriala II]

woa where did that come from.

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the IWA split for this

[Gim]

woa where did that come from.

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That's quite an effort from you.

[The Grene Knyght]

The only argument for socialism you really need:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

[Brocialist]

The only argument for socialism you really need:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

Under socialist countries such as the USSR and Maoist China, as well as other anti imperialist countries.

[War Gears]

Can't be a revisionist when you're a non-Marxist socialist.

Checkmate Stalinists.

[Trotskylvania]

Can't be a revisionist when you're a non-Marxist socialist.

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Checkmate Stalinists.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The only argument for socialism you really need:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

Under socialist countries such as the USSR and Maoist China, as well as other anti imperialist countries.

"Anti"-"Imperialist"

[The Grene Knyght]

The only argument for socialism you really need:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/why-women-had-better-sex-under-socialism.html

Under socialist countries such as the USSR and Maoist China, as well as other anti imperialist countries.

A statement as relevant as it is correct: just barely.

[Isentria]

Under socialist countries such as the USSR and Maoist China, as well as other anti imperialist countries.

"Anti"-"Imperialist"

"It ain't imperialism if we do it" - Communist Imperialism 101