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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401
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Dumb Ideologies
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:44 am

The Eternal Aulus wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I like big states and I cannot lie.

THICC states


Dem curves of coercion tho'
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Northern Davincia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:31 am

Anarchitaria wrote:I come in peace, bewaring spooks. :ugeek:

(Individualist anarchism is a fickle thing)

Read any Rothbard lately?
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Bakery Hill
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Ex-Nation

Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:35 am

Northern Davincia wrote:
Anarchitaria wrote:I come in peace, bewaring spooks. :ugeek:

(Individualist anarchism is a fickle thing)

Read any Rothbard lately?

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The Eternal Aulus
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:41 am

A nice docu on Rojava
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Anarchitaria
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Postby Anarchitaria » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:43 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Anarchitaria wrote:> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3


I like big states and I cannot lie.

*sweating intensifies*

We'll get along somehow. :geek:
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Life Hax
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"Socialism Never Works"

Postby Life Hax » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:50 am

Sanctissima wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Even if one accepts the USSR was actually socialist (which it wasn't, because it never met the definition of socialism), that was the only time. Every other so-called socialist state in history was at one time, a puppet of the USSR.

Tell me, when in human history, has a society ever had the means of production owned by the workers over the long term? It certainly never happened in the USSR or its puppets.

So how in God's name can an ideology "fuck up every time it was given an opportunity to work" when it was never given an opportunity to work in the first place?


"Not real Communism Socialism"

I see you're going even further down the Far-Left rabbit hole now. How lovely.

And you're factually incorrect. Not every Socialist state in history was a puppet of the USSR. Albania, Yugoslavia, Zimbabwe, and many others were either independent or firmly in the PRC's bloc.

So what's your point, exactly? That not only has no country in the history of mankind ever been Communist, but they also haven't been Socialist either? Alright, let's assume that's the case. So all the dozens of successful revolutions of the 20th century that saw Far-Left regimes come to power were never Socialist, even though that's certainly what they tried to be. Ergo, Socialism is an unachievable pipe dream that destroys economies and results in the deaths of millions, all for nothing. And Communism is even moreso.

Thank you for successfully refuting your own ideology. Please help yourself to a boobie prize.


F**king please, have you heard of the Indian State of Kerala? It's a Socialist state that is actually socialist! Check out this Washington Post article explaining their successes; http://wapo.st/2zhBOR9
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MERIZoC
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:08 pm

Myrtlk wrote:Leftist appropriation of Stirner dying is pretty great. What's not dying is how Stirner utterly btfo confused moralists like Merizoc and they have not been able to respond since.

who the fuck are you lol
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:50 pm

Anarchitaria wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:> Not NazBol
> Are you even trying

> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3

>"Stirnerism"
>"Pro: Private Property"

Image
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Major-Tom
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:51 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Myrtlk wrote:Leftist appropriation of Stirner dying is pretty great. What's not dying is how Stirner utterly btfo confused moralists like Merizoc and they have not been able to respond since.

who the fuck are you lol


merizoc what the fuck is your flag.
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Threlizdun
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Threlizdun » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:58 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Anarchitaria wrote:> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3

>"Stirnerism"
>"Pro: Private Property"

Image

Looks like they need a lesson on Stirner's views on property rights. Perhaps this will help.
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:11 pm

New Thread for LWDT 3:

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693
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