Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[Alsheb]

Meh, more like the lame pseudo-leftist liberals of the Middle East.

>psuedo-leftist

Do elaborate

Anarchist/communalist/ "we are building a society without a state" sort of thing.

And their naive acceptance of US boots on the ground, hoping that will totally not backfire in any way like it did in literally every other case with US soldiers in the Middle East ever.

[Al Hashka]

Well that's the problem, you need to get some Red pills on Based Assad and the great Pan-Arab Socialist Revolution.

>red pills on Assad

You mean the attrocities he did and such? I'm more in favor of a federation of Syria based on direct democracy and cooperatives. Granted Assad is far more preferable over the ''moderate'' jihadis and Tahrir as Sham I do not see him as preferable.

I have high hopes of Rojava and the Syrian Republic coming to negotiations where the will of the people will happen and there'll be an open democrat government.

Oh yes the atrocities such as the gas attacks which are 100% genuine and not a false flag, and of course you can't forget about the good old "muh last hospital in Aleppo" meme.

And you really think the land grabbing Kurds are going to cooperate with the Syrian Government?

[Bakery Hill]

The Kurds are really the Alt-Right of the Middle East.

Meh, more like the lame pseudo-leftist liberals of the Middle East.

I take it back, this is better bait.

[The Eternal Aulus]

>psuedo-leftist

Do elaborate

Anarchist/communalist/ "we are building a society without a state" sort of thing.

And their naive acceptance of US boots on the ground, hoping that will totally not backfire in any way like it did in literally every other case with US soldiers in the Middle East ever.

State in the Marxist sense ie a party or any sort of clique which owns the means of production. There is a hierarchy for some decisions but they're made from the bottom to top.

I don't see the Russians as less than a threat either. Both will insist their will into Syria and its people.

[The Eternal Aulus]

>red pills on Assad

You mean the attrocities he did and such? I'm more in favor of a federation of Syria based on direct democracy and cooperatives. Granted Assad is far more preferable over the ''moderate'' jihadis and Tahrir as Sham I do not see him as preferable.

I have high hopes of Rojava and the Syrian Republic coming to negotiations where the will of the people will happen and there'll be an open democrat government.

Oh yes the atrocities such as the gas attacks which are 100% genuine and not a false flag, and of course you can't forget about the good old "muh last hospital in Aleppo" meme.

And you really think the land grabbing Kurds are going to cooperate with the Syrian Government?

I was more talking about the Arab belt and limit on agricultural production done by Assad in order to keep current Rojava purposely poor. Assad is the leader of a state and states are capable of big attrocities, as seen in the early days of the revolution.

[Bakery Hill]

>psuedo-leftist

Do elaborate

Anarchist/communalist/ "we are building a society without a state" sort of thing.

And their naive acceptance of US boots on the ground, hoping that will totally not backfire in any way like it did in literally every other case with US soldiers in the Middle East ever.

To be frank that's a fundamentally unrealistic and naive interpretation. The people running the YPG have been fighting the Americans since the 70s. They're not idiots. They're fighting a common enemy, and while that's happening the American presence prevents them from being overrun by Erdogan. They're fully aware that the Americans will abandon them when convenient. Likewise with the Russian presence in Afrin Canton that's curiously never mentioned by Assad fan-boys.

Also, and this is wonderful to point out to nachos, Rojava is not anarchist. They're a de facto one party state under the PYD, they have a police force, conscription and prisons, including political prisoners from rival Kurdish parties aligned with Barzani. Don't buy into the Ba'athist shit. That movement is dead, buried and cremated.

[War Gears]

Stagism is Stalinist 'revisionism' though.

It's not. Italian syndicalists such as Arturo Labriola argued that their own country, particularly the South, had not underwent a capitalist stage of development which was necessary for socialism.

Marx chose the Paris Commune as a case-study/prototype for the dictatorship of the proletariat, and it was an entirely different creature from anything the Bolshevik regime ever assembled.

One could argue that the soviets of workers, peasants, and soldiers achieved to some degree the "dictatorship of the proletariat."

[Al Hashka]

Oh yes the atrocities such as the gas attacks which are 100% genuine and not a false flag, and of course you can't forget about the good old "muh last hospital in Aleppo" meme.

And you really think the land grabbing Kurds are going to cooperate with the Syrian Government?

I was more talking about the Arab belt and limit on agricultural production done by Assad in order to keep current Rojava purposely poor. Assad is the leader of a state and states are capable of big attrocities, as seen in the early days of the revolution.

Assad has actually committed the least amount of atrocities, most have been committed by the "moderate" opposition and ISIS. The YPG aren't that innocent either.

[Bakery Hill]

I was more talking about the Arab belt and limit on agricultural production done by Assad in order to keep current Rojava purposely poor. Assad is the leader of a state and states are capable of big attrocities, as seen in the early days of the revolution.

Assad has actually committed the least amount of atrocities, most have been committed by the "moderate" opposition and ISIS. The YPG aren't that innocent either.

That Amnesty Report (that was later heavily criticised by a UN report) was right. The YPG should probably just let people go back and live in boobytrapped houses on the front line. Monsters.

[Al Hashka]

Assad has actually committed the least amount of atrocities, most have been committed by the "moderate" opposition and ISIS. The YPG aren't that innocent either.

That Amnesty Report (that was later heavily criticised by a UN report) was right. The YPG should probably just let people go back and live in boobytrapped houses on the front line. Monsters.

Oh yes I forgot the YPG are perfectly innocent and could do no wrong.

[The Eternal Aulus]

That Amnesty Report (that was later heavily criticised by a UN report) was right. The YPG should probably just let people go back and live in boobytrapped houses on the front line. Monsters.

Oh yes I forgot the YPG are perfectly innocent and could do no wrong.

Like that one instance where an ISIS prisoner was tortured by some militiamen from the YPG and were later demobilized and sentenced to prison? Or where officers who recruit children get imprisoned too? Good riddance.

[Alsheb]

>red pills on Assad

You mean the attrocities he did and such? I'm more in favor of a federation of Syria based on direct democracy and cooperatives. Granted Assad is far more preferable over the ''moderate'' jihadis and Tahrir as Sham I do not see him as preferable.

I have high hopes of Rojava and the Syrian Republic coming to negotiations where the will of the people will happen and there'll be an open democrat government.

Oh yes the atrocities such as the gas attacks which are 100% genuine and not a false flag, and of course you can't forget about the good old "muh last hospital in Aleppo" meme.

And you really think the land grabbing Kurds are going to cooperate with the Syrian Government?

Aleppo was really unique in that it had hundreds of "last hospital in the city".

[Alsheb]

Anarchist/communalist/ "we are building a society without a state" sort of thing.

And their naive acceptance of US boots on the ground, hoping that will totally not backfire in any way like it did in literally every other case with US soldiers in the Middle East ever.

State in the Marxist sense ie a party or any sort of clique which owns the means of production. There is a hierarchy for some decisions but they're made from the bottom to top.

I don't see the Russians as less than a threat either. Both will insist their will into Syria and its people.

Not really. Russia basically wants to ensure the government of the Arab Republic stays in place.

[The Eternal Aulus]

State in the Marxist sense ie a party or any sort of clique which owns the means of production. There is a hierarchy for some decisions but they're made from the bottom to top.

I don't see the Russians as less than a threat either. Both will insist their will into Syria and its people.

Not really. Russia basically wants to ensure the government of the Arab Republic stays in place.

Exactly my point.

[Cekoviu]

Leftist appropriation of Stirner dying is pretty great. What's not dying is how Stirner utterly btfo confused moralists like Merizoc and they have not been able to respond since.

Stirner being dead makes him literally a spook

[Anarchitaria]

I come in peace, bewaring spooks.

(Individualist anarchism is a fickle thing)

[Dumb Ideologies]

I come in peace, bewaring spooks.

(Individualist anarchism is a fickle thing)

Is that ectoplasm or are you just pleased to see us?

[The Eternal Aulus]

You're just a spook.

[Anarchitaria]

I come in peace, bewaring spooks.

(Individualist anarchism is a fickle thing)

Is that ectoplasm or are you just pleased to see us?

The latter?

[Bakery Hill]

That Amnesty Report (that was later heavily criticised by a UN report) was right. The YPG should probably just let people go back and live in boobytrapped houses on the front line. Monsters.

Oh yes I forgot the YPG are perfectly innocent and could do no wrong.

Of course can they do wrong. There's just no widespread atrocities, which is the case with every other faction in Syria. They closest anyone's got was that debunked Amnesty report which was detailing how a then about 40% (iirc) and now 60% Arab force was apparently ethnically cleansing Arabs.

[Anarchitaria]

You're just a spook.

I am the bridge of the two worlds of the spectrum. V_V

[Dumb Ideologies]

You're just a spook.

I am the bridge of the two worlds of the spectrum. V_V

> Not NazBol
> Are you even trying

[Anarchitaria]

I am the bridge of the two worlds of the spectrum. V_V

> Not NazBol
> Are you even trying

> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3

[Dumb Ideologies]

> Not NazBol
> Are you even trying

> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3

I like big states and I cannot lie.

[The Eternal Aulus]

> Am confused

I like anarchism though. :3

I like big states and I cannot lie.

THICC states