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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's actually from a fanfic that parodies the rise of the Nazi party, so you're pretty warm.

:lol:

And the protagonist is the character on my flag.

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Community Values
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Postby Community Values » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:47 pm

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:egoism is a meme and not even a good one. the only think stirnerites do is call everything they disagree with spooks
well here's a corker for you, the ego is a spook.


This post it a spook.

Language is a cultural spook to force us into communicating with each other. In fact, only when people create an Egoists Union (for individual self benefit, of course), should a language be created (for individual self benefit)
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."
-Huey Long

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:56 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Community Values wrote:The Sovereign Citizens are the only true egoist movement in America. They just don't know it yet.

egoism is a meme and not even a good one. the only think stirnerites do is call everything they disagree with spooks
well here's a corker for you, the ego is a spook.

ur face is a spook
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Threlizdun
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Threlizdun » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:57 pm

Genivaria wrote:Saw this while reading a story and was curious how it would be received here.

There will be a minimum wage.
Child labor is outlawed.
Men and women will receive equal pay for commensurate labor.
Workers will have a standard forty-hour work week, with a maximum of sixty hours, all labor performed beyond forty hours will be paid at a rate of time and one half.
Employers will be required to meet minimum safety standards to be set by the National Labor Office.
Employees will have the right to compensation for death or injury that occurs either while performing activities related to their employment or while at an employer's premises.
Employees shall also have the right to file civil suits against employers for unsafe work conditions or practices."

"And, in exchange for all these benefits, strikes are hereby outlawed.
From this point on unions, or the delegated representatives of a group of workers, will file any grievances they have with the National Labor Board.
The board will set up an arbitration hearing and listen to the arguments of both sides.
Their decisions shall be binding."


Does this sound like a fair exchange to anyone?
It's naive to believe that capitalists and the state that represents them would put the interests of workers before the accumulation of capital. Strikes are among the most useful tools in the worker's arsenal. Giving it up is suicide.
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War Gears
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:06 pm

Threlizdun wrote:It's naive to believe that capitalists and the state that represents them


The workers have historically been represented by the state as well.
Threlizdun wrote:would put the interests of workers before the accumulation of capital.


The existence of welfare, healthcare, labor rights, etc. suggests differently.
Threlizdun wrote:Strikes are among the most useful tools in the worker's arsenal.


Mainly because of a lack of an alternative in a laissez faire economy.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:18 pm

Genivaria wrote:Saw this while reading a story and was curious how it would be received here.

There will be a minimum wage.
Child labor is outlawed.
Men and women will receive equal pay for commensurate labor.
Workers will have a standard forty-hour work week, with a maximum of sixty hours, all labor performed beyond forty hours will be paid at a rate of time and one half.
Employers will be required to meet minimum safety standards to be set by the National Labor Office.
Employees will have the right to compensation for death or injury that occurs either while performing activities related to their employment or while at an employer's premises.
Employees shall also have the right to file civil suits against employers for unsafe work conditions or practices."

"And, in exchange for all these benefits, strikes are hereby outlawed.
From this point on unions, or the delegated representatives of a group of workers, will file any grievances they have with the National Labor Board.
The board will set up an arbitration hearing and listen to the arguments of both sides.
Their decisions shall be binding."


Does this sound like a fair exchange to anyone?

If anyone buys this, I have a bridge to sell you.
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PRO: social democracy, internationalism, progressivism, democracy,
republicanism, human rights, democratic socialism, Keynesianism,
EU, NATO, two-state solution, Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders
CON: conservatism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism, neoliberalism,
death penalty, Marxism-Leninism, laissez faire, reaction, fascism,
antisemitism, isolationism, Republican Party, Donald Trump


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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:14 pm

Genivaria wrote:Saw this while reading a story and was curious how it would be received here.

There will be a minimum wage.
Child labor is outlawed.
Men and women will receive equal pay for commensurate labor.
Workers will have a standard forty-hour work week, with a maximum of sixty hours, all labor performed beyond forty hours will be paid at a rate of time and one half.
Employers will be required to meet minimum safety standards to be set by the National Labor Office.
Employees will have the right to compensation for death or injury that occurs either while performing activities related to their employment or while at an employer's premises.
Employees shall also have the right to file civil suits against employers for unsafe work conditions or practices."

"And, in exchange for all these benefits, strikes are hereby outlawed.
From this point on unions, or the delegated representatives of a group of workers, will file any grievances they have with the National Labor Board.
The board will set up an arbitration hearing and listen to the arguments of both sides.
Their decisions shall be binding."


Does this sound like a fair exchange to anyone?

Image

whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch. First of all, 40 hours average and 60 maximum is a travesty on it's own, the rest may as well say "I HATE UNIONS" in size 72 bold
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

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I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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The Liberated Territories
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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:16 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Community Values wrote:The Sovereign Citizens are the only true egoist movement in America. They just don't know it yet.

egoism is a meme and not even a good one. the only think stirnerites do is call everything they disagree with spooks
well here's a corker for you, the ego is a spook.


stirner is the only cool leftist :s
Left Wing Market Anarchism

Yes, I am back(ish)

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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:18 pm

Crysuko wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Saw this while reading a story and was curious how it would be received here.




Does this sound like a fair exchange to anyone?

Image

whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch. First of all, 40 hours average and 60 maximum is a travesty on it's own, the rest may as well say "I HATE UNIONS" in size 72 bold

Considering that I consider myself lucky to snag 26 hours/week I'm not seeing the tragedy.

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Genivaria
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Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:19 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Saw this while reading a story and was curious how it would be received here.




Does this sound like a fair exchange to anyone?
It's naive to believe that capitalists and the state that represents them would put the interests of workers before the accumulation of capital. Strikes are among the most useful tools in the worker's arsenal. Giving it up is suicide.

A character in the story had the same reaction.
So she offered the head of the Social Democratic party the position of head of the National Labor Board.

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War Gears
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:23 pm

Crysuko wrote:whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch.


It should fit in well with LWDT then.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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War Gears
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Liriena wrote: :lol:

And the protagonist is the character on my flag.


The Kaiser loli strikes again.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:38 pm

War Gears wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And the protagonist is the character on my flag.


The Kaiser loli strikes again.

Not heard that nickname but it works.

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Cekoviu
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Founded: Oct 18, 2017
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:44 pm

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch.


It should fit in well with LWDT then.

Ouch.
pro: women's rights
anti: men's rights

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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:53 pm

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch.


It should fit in well with LWDT then.

nice non-argument you got there

Genivaria wrote:
Crysuko wrote:
Image

whoever wrote this is disasterously out of touch. First of all, 40 hours average and 60 maximum is a travesty on it's own, the rest may as well say "I HATE UNIONS" in size 72 bold

Considering that I consider myself lucky to snag 26 hours/week I'm not seeing the tragedy.

let me tell you that 40 hours a week is a struggle, and any more than that is hell on earth. and if those 40 hours are in an office, factory or warehouse, you'll be a husk inside of a decade.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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War Gears
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:57 pm

Crysuko wrote:
War Gears wrote:
It should fit in well with LWDT then.

nice non-argument you got there


I wasn't replying to an argument either.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Crysuko
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Founded: Feb 26, 2013
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:57 pm

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:nice non-argument you got there


I wasn't replying to an argument either.

did you read the rest of my post, or only the part you could make a half-assed crack at
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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War Gears
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:58 pm

Crysuko wrote:
War Gears wrote:
I wasn't replying to an argument either.

did you read the rest of my post, or only the part you could make a half-assed crack at


I didn't disagree with you, did I?
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Crysuko
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Crysuko » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:00 pm

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:did you read the rest of my post, or only the part you could make a half-assed crack at


I didn't disagree with you, did I?

>disagrees with me
>says isn't disagreeing
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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The Liberated Territories
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Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:02 pm

If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?
Left Wing Market Anarchism

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War Gears
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:03 pm

Crysuko wrote:
War Gears wrote:
I didn't disagree with you, did I?

>disagrees with me
>says isn't disagreeing


I didn't disagree with you about work hours, if I did, show me where.
Parasparopagraho Jīvānām.

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Crysuko
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Postby Crysuko » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:04 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

I am a libertarian person. I am willing to let people make their own choices about their own lives. but when furries are mentioned, I could make Stalin turn in his grave.

War Gears wrote:
Crysuko wrote:>disagrees with me
>says isn't disagreeing


I didn't disagree with you about work hours, if I did, show me where.

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Last edited by Crysuko on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Quotes:
Xilonite wrote: cookies are heresy.

Kelinfort wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:A terrorist attack on a disabled center doesn't make a lot of sense, unless to show no one is safe.

This will take some time to figure out, i am afraid.

"No one is safe, not even your most vulnerable and insecure!"

Cesopium wrote:Welp let's hope armies of 10 million don't just roam around and Soviet their way through everything.

Yugoslav Memes wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:Ur mom has value

one week ban for flaming xd

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Much better than the kulak smoothies. Their texture was suspiciously grainy.

Official thread euthanologist
I USE Qs INSTEAD OF Qs

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Genivaria
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Posts: 69943
Founded: Mar 29, 2011
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:06 pm

Crysuko wrote:
War Gears wrote:
It should fit in well with LWDT then.

nice non-argument you got there

Genivaria wrote:Considering that I consider myself lucky to snag 26 hours/week I'm not seeing the tragedy.

let me tell you that 40 hours a week is a struggle, and any more than that is hell on earth. and if those 40 hours are in an office, factory or warehouse, you'll be a husk inside of a decade.

My last job I usually got around 45-50 hours/per week.
I miss being able to pay my bills.

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Genivaria
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Founded: Mar 29, 2011
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:09 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?

Anime>Furries.

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Valgora
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Postby Valgora » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:10 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:If the right likes anime, does the left like furries?


Just because you said that:

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