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Preferred economic system?

Welfare Capitalism
93
23%
Market Socialism
62
15%
Mutualism
10
2%
Syndicalism
40
10%
Communalism
13
3%
State Planning
36
9%
Decentralised Planning
27
7%
Higher Phase Communism
38
9%
Left-wing Market Anarchism
15
4%
Other
67
17%
 
Total votes : 401

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:17 pm

I'm an Esoteric Guevarist now, ask me anything.
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Postby Kubra » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:18 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What video series was this? Do you have a link?

I checked out David Harvey's and that looked pretty mad.
Folks I know tend to shit on Harvey's breakdown, but that's over political disagreement
most introductions to capital are readable, they have to be, but all of them involve the writer putting down their own ideas of what is contained in Capital and how it pertains to their own theoretical work. 100% of them.
So really, the important thing with finding an introduction is figuring out which bias you like best.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:18 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What video series was this? Do you have a link?

The playlist begins with a discussion on value in a similar way to how Capital starts, although obviously I don't know whether how it progresses is true to the text. It's supposed to explain his theory of value, which I can imagine is majorly contained within Capital, and it seems OK to me.

Thanks. Seems interesting. I've added it to the OP, as others might also find it useful. I might watch it myself at some point.


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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:28 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I'm an Esoteric Guevarist now, ask me anything.

Alright, here's a question for you.

The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?
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Postby Liberalter » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:14 pm

I would have to say that Noam Chomsky is my favorite philosopher.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:44 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Alright, here's a question for you.

The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?

is this posadism 2.0
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Postby Wulfenia » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:20 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?

is this posadism 2.0


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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:31 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Alright, here's a question for you.

The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?

this is one of the best quotes I've seen on this website :bow:

Anyway, I predict a collapse of the Irish government by midnight tonight.
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Postby Nekotani » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:49 am

Bakery Hill wrote:I'm an Esoteric Guevarist now, ask me anything.


0/10

I'm an Esoteric Sorelian, get on my level.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:52 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?

is this posadism 2.0

Posadas did not go nearly far enough.
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Postby Nekotani » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:53 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Nature-Spirits wrote:is this posadism 2.0

Posadas did not go nearly far enough.


Did he forget to align his chakras?

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:54 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:The dialectic is not some cold process comrade, the world spirit is real and Guevara was its avatar, a creative force of destruction. We can manifest his ongoing power through chaos magic. All those t-shirts don't seem so stupid now do they?

this is one of the best quotes I've seen on this website :bow:

Anyway, I predict a collapse of the Irish government by midnight tonight.

Thank you comrade. And so soon? What will come next?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:54 am

Nekotani wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I'm an Esoteric Guevarist now, ask me anything.


0/10

I'm an Esoteric Sorelian, get on my level.

That's just inherently ridiculous.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:56 am

Nekotani wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Posadas did not go nearly far enough.


Did he forget to align his chakras?

He mistakenly ascribed the machinations of spirits good and evil to Hollywoodesque aliens. He also considered dolphins his friends.

Only in the recognition of the awesome re/de-generative power of nuclear war did he approach the truth.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:56 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:this is one of the best quotes I've seen on this website :bow:

Anyway, I predict a collapse of the Irish government by midnight tonight.

Thank you comrade. And so soon? What will come next?

Another centre-right coalition, of course.
The motion for no confidence in taoiseach enda kenny will be voted on in 5 minutes. Its gonna be a tight vote, hard to say which way it'll go, but I think it'll go against him.
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Socialist Women wrote:Part of the reason you're an anarchist is because you ate too much expired food
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2015: x=-8.75,y=-6.56
2016: x=-8.88,y=-9.54
2017: x=-9.63,y=-9.90
2018: x=-9.88,y=-9.23
2019: x=-10.0,y=-9.90
2020: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
2021: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
     
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:57 am

Nekotani wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:I'm an Esoteric Guevarist now, ask me anything.


0/10

I'm an Esoteric Sorelian, get on my level.

what about... Esoteric Posadism?
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Socialist Women wrote:Part of the reason you're an anarchist is because you ate too much expired food
Claorica wrote:Oh look, an antifa ancom being smartaleck
Old Tyrannia wrote:Bold words from the self-declared Leninist
Currently
Reading
2015: x=-8.75,y=-6.56
2016: x=-8.88,y=-9.54
2017: x=-9.63,y=-9.90
2018: x=-9.88,y=-9.23
2019: x=-10.0,y=-9.90
2020: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
2021: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
     
PRO: Socialism, Communism, Internationalism, Revolution, Leninism.
NEUTRAL: Anarchism, Marxism-Leninism.
ANTI: Capitalism, Liberalism, Nationalism, Fascists, Hyper-Sectarian Leftists.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:59 am

The Grene Knyght wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Thank you comrade. And so soon? What will come next?

Another centre-right coalition, of course.
The motion for no confidence in taoiseach enda kenny will be voted on in 5 minutes. Its gonna be a tight vote, hard to say which way it'll go, but I think it'll go against him.

With FF as senior and FG as junior this time? Do you think Sinn Fein or any of the minor parties will profit from this?
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:07 am

Nekotani wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Posadas did not go nearly far enough.


Did he forget to align his chakras?


Psh. Realigning chakras. Everyone knows that's not a thing. You need to reionize your electrons.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:08 am

Grenartia wrote:
Nekotani wrote:
Did he forget to align his chakras?


Psh. Realigning chakras. Everyone knows that's not a thing. You need to reionize your electrons.

"Electrons"? Disgusting bourgeois rationalism.
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Postby Nekotani » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:08 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Nekotani wrote:
0/10

I'm an Esoteric Sorelian, get on my level.

That's just inherently ridiculous.


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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:10 am

Nekotani wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:That's just inherently ridiculous.


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The world needs more Sorel memes.
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Postby Nekotani » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:14 am

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That's honestly the only thing I can imagine ran through Trump voters' minds after the "Pussygate" scandal.
Bakery Hill wrote:
Nekotani wrote:

The world needs more Sorel memes.


Scumbag Syndicalist would be an excellent meme.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:15 am

Nekotani wrote:

That's honestly the only thing I can imagine ran through Trump voters' minds after the "Pussygate" scandal.
Bakery Hill wrote:The world needs more Sorel memes.


Scumbag Syndicalist would be an excellent meme.

All their hopes are resting with him, of course he'll get the benefit of the doubt.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:24 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Grene Knyght wrote:Another centre-right coalition, of course.
The motion for no confidence in taoiseach enda kenny will be voted on in 5 minutes. Its gonna be a tight vote, hard to say which way it'll go, but I think it'll go against him.

With FF as senior and FG as junior this time? Do you think Sinn Fein or any of the minor parties will profit from this?

SF might try to enter a coalition with FF, which would be interesting. Not sure how long it would last though...
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Socialist Women wrote:Part of the reason you're an anarchist is because you ate too much expired food
Claorica wrote:Oh look, an antifa ancom being smartaleck
Old Tyrannia wrote:Bold words from the self-declared Leninist
Currently
Reading
2015: x=-8.75,y=-6.56
2016: x=-8.88,y=-9.54
2017: x=-9.63,y=-9.90
2018: x=-9.88,y=-9.23
2019: x=-10.0,y=-9.90
2020: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
2021: x=-10.0,y=-10.0
     
PRO: Socialism, Communism, Internationalism, Revolution, Leninism.
NEUTRAL: Anarchism, Marxism-Leninism.
ANTI: Capitalism, Liberalism, Nationalism, Fascists, Hyper-Sectarian Leftists.
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