Left-Wing Discussion Thread II: Behind 700,000 Bunkers

[United Marxist Nations]

Fine then, I think the patrons should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. If they need an abortion for medical reasons, such should be accommodated by hospitals.

And for those who are not in it for medical reasons, I understand that some states with the death penalty consider child murder an aggravating factor, and grounds for its recommendation.
If you must have me speak in your place, since you will not speak yourself, it can only be that you are advocating that some folks get the lethal injection for abortion.

As I have said elsewhere, I think the death penalty should be abolished.

Like I said, it depends on the circumstances the expectant mother found themselves in. I quite firmly believe that the majority of people who get abortions do so because they feel forced to by circumstance, and I think a lot of abortions can be stopped by helping people in bad circumstances.

[Lady Scylla]

And for those who are not in it for medical reasons, I understand that some states with the death penalty consider child murder an aggravating factor, and grounds for its recommendation.
If you must have me speak in your place, since you will not speak yourself, it can only be that you are advocating that some folks get the lethal injection for abortion.

As I have said elsewhere, I think the death penalty should be abolished.

Like I said, it depends on the circumstances the expectant mother found themselves in. I quite firmly believe that the majority of people who get abortions do so because they feel forced to by circumstance, and I think a lot of abortions can be stopped by helping people in bad circumstances.

I just get abortions because it's fun.

[British Prussia]

Social Democrats are Moderates, Centrists are Centrists.

Left v Right

Fringe - Radical [- Moderate [- Centre -] Moderate -] Radical - Fringe
10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 [- 5 - 4 - 3- 2 [- 1 - 0 - 1 -] 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 -] 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10

Social democrats are pretty much centre-left... maybe more left than say, a social liberal though. Both still have a thing for free trade views on some level, but no where near the point of being right-wing capitalism.

The latter is a broader term and somewhat dependent on context. A left-leaning centrist doesn't necessarily advocate social democracy. For example, a left-leaning centrist might advocate some manner of welfare capitalism, but not the tripartite corporatism advocated for by social democrats. Left-leaning centrists may be to the right of social democrats while still identifying as leftists. This would be strange in places where social democracy entered mainstream politics, but it's possible elsewhere - in the USA, for example.

Makes sense. I suppose when I'm feeling particularly communist I veer towards slightly towards Social Democracy. Put down my votes for both Left-leaning Centrism and Social Democracy.

[Conscentia]

Hmmm. What's the difference between Social Democrat and Left-leaning Centrist?

The latter is a broader term and somewhat dependent on context. A left-leaning centrist doesn't necessarily advocate social democracy. For example, a left-leaning centrist might advocate some manner of welfare capitalism, but not the tripartite corporatism advocated for by social democrats. Left-leaning centrists may be to the right of social democrats while still identifying as leftists. This would be strange in places where social democracy entered mainstream politics (thus being particularly close to the center), but it makes sense elsewhere - in the USA, for example.

[Jelmatt]

Oh, fun, we're talking about abortion, isn't this nice?

TBH, on abortion I'm very on the fence but leaning towards pro-choice. I've had internal arguments with myself over this (not literally, just thought about it before) and it's a very, very, very complicated issue. I think it's a matter of when a fetus becomes a person and, when it does, in what circumstances is the situation justified over the fetus' right to life?

I'm looking forward to reading all y'all's arguments, because God knows this is a complex issue.

[Conscentia]

Oh, fun, we're talking about abortion, isn't this nice?

TBH, on abortion I'm very on the fence but leaning towards pro-choice. I've had internal arguments with myself over this (not literally, just thought about it before) and it's a very, very, very complicated issue. I think it's a matter of when a fetus becomes a person and, when it does, in what circumstances is the situation justified over the fetus' right to life?

I'm looking forward to reading all y'all's arguments, because God knows this is a complex issue.

I think it's very simple. Vast majority abortions take place early in development. At that stage the fetus isn't capable of thinking or feeling, let alone conscious. There's no sense in feeling sympathy for an unfeeling mass. Anything taking place later is more likely an event of medical emergency, not a sudden late change of mind.

[Kubra]

And for those who are not in it for medical reasons, I understand that some states with the death penalty consider child murder an aggravating factor, and grounds for its recommendation.
If you must have me speak in your place, since you will not speak yourself, it can only be that you are advocating that some folks get the lethal injection for abortion.

As I have said elsewhere, I think the death penalty should be abolished.

Like I said, it depends on the circumstances the expectant mother found themselves in. I quite firmly believe that the majority of people who get abortions do so because they feel forced to by circumstance, and I think a lot of abortions can be stopped by helping people in bad circumstances.

You also said that the punishment would be whatever courts today put up for murder. It's beyond me to keep up with the positions of every poster on every issue, which is why I prefer that they inform me when a topic is brought up.

Could you elaborate on this bad circumstances?

[United Marxist Nations]

As I have said elsewhere, I think the death penalty should be abolished.

Like I said, it depends on the circumstances the expectant mother found themselves in. I quite firmly believe that the majority of people who get abortions do so because they feel forced to by circumstance, and I think a lot of abortions can be stopped by helping people in bad circumstances.

You also said that the punishment would be whatever courts today put up for murder. It's beyond me to keep up with the positions of every poster on every issue, which is why I prefer that they inform me when a topic is brought up.

Could you elaborate on this bad circumstances?

When you say "patrons", I assumed you meant the people who were there at the time, not people who had already completed abortion. Those should get the legal penalty for murder. Though, I think they shouldn't get death because I think the death penalty is wrong.

As far as, bad circumstances, things like not having the money to raise children, threat of losing their job if they have children, that kind of thing.

[Kubra]

You also said that the punishment would be whatever courts today put up for murder. It's beyond me to keep up with the positions of every poster on every issue, which is why I prefer that they inform me when a topic is brought up.

Could you elaborate on this bad circumstances?

When you say "patrons", I assumed you meant the people who were there at the time, not people who had already completed abortion. Those should get the legal penalty for murder. Though, I think they shouldn't get death because I think the death penalty is wrong.

As far as, bad circumstances, things like not having the money to raise children, threat of losing their job if they have children, that kind of thing.

You merely said as the courts today do, and those courts do kill.
And since you maintain the current legal penalty but not death penalty, I suppose the preferred punishment is life in a supermax?
Also, shouldn't those who are there at the time but have not yet completed an abortion be charged for attempted murder or conspiracy to commit an indictable offence?
https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/defaul ... 711005.pdf
Data of 2004 vintage, table 2

To be sure, inability to afford children and interference with work life were big reasons given, while health concerns form a minority. Nonetheless, respondents also chose options like "don't want people to know I had sex or got pregnant" to the tune of 25%, or "have completed my childbearing" at 38%
we can assume that a sizeable minority get abortions for reasons other than medical or financial reasons

[Pandeeria]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

[British Prussia]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

By purchasing it.

[Mattopilos]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

Insurrection

[Lady Scylla]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

By buying products.

[Pandeeria]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

By purchasing it.

Not possible.

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

Insurrection

Too vague.

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

By buying products.

"Voting with your money" doesn't work.

I guess we'll just have to try better tomorrow, team.

[Kubra]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

by making total destroy

[Uiiop]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

We drug people.

[British Prussia]

By purchasing it.

Not possible.

You should be able to purchase at least one means of production.

[Mattopilos]

By purchasing it.

Not possible.

Insurrection

Too vague.

By buying products.

"Voting with your money" doesn't work.

I guess we'll just have to try better tomorrow, team.

Okay... Insurrection for the freedom of the individual from the state and society. Kinda saying the same thing twice, though.

[Mattopilos]

Not possible.

You should be able to purchase at least one means of production.

The pun is real

[British Prussia]

You should be able to purchase at least one means of production.

The pun is real

I'd say kidnap a girl, but that's more of seizing means of reproduction, isn't it?

[Lady Scylla]

The pun is real

I'd say kidnap a girl, but that's more of seizing means of reproduction, isn't it?

Only if you removed the uterus and ovaries.

[British Prussia]

I'd say kidnap a girl, but that's more of seizing means of reproduction, isn't it?

Only if you removed the uterus and ovaries.

But that just goes back to my original argument of seizing at least one means of production, in order to do so. You can remove them using a hammer right?

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

Rally the unions.

[Lady Scylla]

Only if you removed the uterus and ovaries.

But that just goes back to my original argument of seizing at least one means of production, in order to do so. You can remove them using a hammer right?

With the back end, sure. You'd need a male for the rest of the means of reproduction though for it to be viable.

[Bakery Hill]

So team, how do we seize the means of production today?

Rally the unions.

Congratulations we have a winner.