Stupid Crap Teachers Told You

[Moreau Catholic High]

Indeed the statement you made

"Oh nothing at all. It'll give you a great story to tell to your fellow compatriots while you wait on the bread line."

Is not recognizable as a coherence argument and could be used with equal (lack of) effectiveness on any statement.

Person 1: Objects fall at 9.8 meters per second squared!
Person 2:"Oh nothing at all. It'll give you a great story to tell to your fellow compatriots while you wait on the bread line."


Person 1: I went to the store today and saw the most interesting thing...
Person 2: "Oh nothing at all. It'll give you a great story to tell to your fellow compatriots while you wait on the bread line."

Once again, I do fear that your inability to recognize it as a relevant response is a failure on your part, not on mine.

As is your failure to recognize it as a failure on your part.

Only because you refuse to investigate the assumptions behind your statement. Assumptions I've been trying to get you to reveal.

But you refuse to have a discussion about the actual matter at hand and simply repeat your flawed conclusions draw from flawed assumptions.

I agree with Neo Art, and and I'll give you my "flawed assumptions".

1. In many teacher-student relationships, a full mutually respectable relationship is impossible. The gap between the teacher and the student is just overwhelming. Respect requires that the "respectee" has some worthwhile quality in the eyes of the "respecter". If a teacher happens to be a Nobel prize winner who happened to find the cure for cancer, how can he generate the same level of respect for fresh-out-of-high-school students that those same students have for him? It's not possible. Therefore, to undermine a relationship on the premise that mutual respect doesn't exist is ridiculous, because often times, mutual respect CANNOT exist.

2. Some people who have a large degree of control over your life are jerks. That's a fact. There's no need to ruin your life because you think that's unfair.

That's pretty much it.

[Raptoric Cyprus]

We were once told that the world was made in 7 days.



Everyone knows that it wasn't. And if it was, as some still believe, it was 6 days, and those days were like millions/billions of years.

The Republic of Raptoric Cyprus has spoken.

[Natapoc]

First, thank you for taking on the argument rather then resorting to ad hominems.

I agree with Neo Art, and and I'll give you my "flawed assumptions".

1. In many teacher-student relationships, a full mutually respectable relationship is impossible. The gap between the teacher and the student is just overwhelming. Respect requires that the "respectee" has some worthwhile quality in the eyes of the "respecter". If a teacher happens to be a Nobel prize winner who happened to find the cure for cancer, how can he generate the same level of respect for fresh-out-of-high-school students that those same students have for him? It's not possible. Therefore, to undermine a relationship on the premise that mutual respect doesn't exist is ridiculous, because often times, mutual respect CANNOT exist.

I think we also have a slight lack of communication here. There is more then one type of respect and you seem to be talking about respecting a specific trait within a person. Yes of course I don't disagree with that at all. I respect the opinion of my doctor on medical matters far greater then I respect a random friend who has no medical training.

I have no illusion that my doctor should equally respect my medical knowledge. That would be silly.

Instead I suggest that if my doctor treats me poorly with a lack of respect for my rights and for me as a fellow human being I will switch doctors. Does this make sense? It is the same with a job. If the person I'm working for is rude and condescending... I won't do anything for them anymore. Believe it or not there are plenty of nice polite people to work with. There is(typically) no reason to put up with total jerks.

2. Some people who have a large degree of control over your life are jerks. That's a fact. There's no need to ruin your life because you think that's unfair.

That's pretty much it.

Indeed I would never suggest that a you ruin your own life just because a person who is dominating you and insists on controlling you does so. Rather I suggest freeing yourself from the situation. Where have I ever suggested that a person should ruin their life over another person?

[Enn]

Was told once by a History teacher that the Kanakas were indigenous to Australia. Our next history teacher nearly fainted when she was told this.

[Grave_n_idle]

That is the key right there: Mutual respect. It is the most important thing when dealing with other people. If the teacher gives no respect he or she will get no respect in return.

Yeah, go ahead and try that in the real world.

See how far it gets you.

It works very well thank you. You sure seem upset about something. Do you dislike challenges to illegitimate authority structures? Are you bigoted against youth? What is wrong?

You know, myself and neo art don't get along very well, but he is absolutely right in this instance. You respect the position regardless of your feelings towards the person in it.

*saves the link, for the next one of Parthenon's anti-Obama rants*.

[Tretskivucia]

I was once told by my history teacher in an overview of this years syllabus:

"you don't really need to learn about Hitler, he's not important"

[Natapoc]

I was once told by my history teacher in an overview of this years syllabus:

"you don't really need to learn about Hitler, he's not important"

I like your teachers attitude at least. What could be worse for an evil dictator like Hitler then to be considered unimportant? Being unimportant would probably seem much worse then being remembered as evil to him. Imagine saying to hitler: Hitler, you are such a miserable failure that no one will even remember your name.

But unfortunately it actually is important that we learn about him. Was this in relation to a standardized test?

[Tretskivucia]

I was once told by my history teacher in an overview of this years syllabus:

"you don't really need to learn about Hitler, he's not important"

I like your teachers attitude at least. What could be worse for an evil dictator like Hitler then to be considered unimportant? Being unimportant would probably seem much worse then being remembered as evil to him. Imagine saying to hitler: Hitler, you are such a miserable failure that no one will even remember your name.

But unfortunately it actually is important that we learn about him. Was this in relation to a standardized test?

It was in the "WWII" section of the syllabus.

I was a bit annoyed because i can't reveal my WWII nerdiness.

[Dazchan]

One of my third graders the other day, who disrupts class at least 15 times a day, asked (at random, in the middle of a math lesson) if they were going to college. I said, "Not if you keep going at this rate. Do you know what happens if you decide to carry on a loud conversation with your friend in lecture hall? They kick you out. And you don't get your money back."

He was shocked. "They don't even get a warning?" I told him my class was his warning.

I'll try that one on my 4th grade loudmouth on Monday

[Dazchan]

Actually..."Grammer/Grammar" can be spelled both ways, depending on whether you are English or American.

Unless you're talking about the guy who played Frasier, it is never spelled "Grammer", in any English-speaking country.

[Sunsader]

My teacher told me that she fell out of a window in the 3th floor but was saved by an angel and lifted back up...
I know it has nothing to do with school but I just had to get that out...

[South Norwega]

Some of it obviously yes is inappropriate. A lot of you mentioned isn't though. You should look at countries WITHOUT dress codes. The only reason SOME students wear what you said is because they normally have to wear a crappy uniform. School uniforms are just crap.

Not really. Case in point, school excursions. With uniforms students are readily identifiable, without they can just slip away into the crowd. Lack of uniforms makes truanting easier.

If it's on their own notebook then you have no reason to complain.

Oh yes (she?) bloody does. Teachers are the rulers of classrooms. If you can't conform to their rules, you're likely to not be able to conform to society's rules. As Saint Jade said, normal workers don't cover their work folders and so on with obscenities. Why should students have leeway in that regard?

[Natapoc]

Some of it obviously yes is inappropriate. A lot of you mentioned isn't though. You should look at countries WITHOUT dress codes. The only reason SOME students wear what you said is because they normally have to wear a crappy uniform. School uniforms are just crap.

Not really. Case in point, school excursions. With uniforms students are readily identifiable, without they can just slip away into the crowd. Lack of uniforms makes truanting easier.

If it's on their own notebook then you have no reason to complain.

Oh yes (she?) bloody does. Teachers are the rulers of classrooms. If you can't conform to their rules, you're likely to not be able to conform to society's rules. As Saint Jade said, normal workers don't cover their work folders and so on with obscenities. Why should students have leeway in that regard?

So many ultra authoritarians on this forum. Even if your arguments were true why would any of these reasons be sufficient to restrict a persons rights?

Teachers should not be the "Rulers of the classroom" what better way to train a child how to best behave in a so called democracy then to raise them in a dictatorship of a classroom right? And you wonder why they grow up to have no understanding or desire to participate in society.

This is the kind of logic the western world fought bloody revolutions to topple.

[Wiztopia]

Some of it obviously yes is inappropriate. A lot of you mentioned isn't though. You should look at countries WITHOUT dress codes. The only reason SOME students wear what you said is because they normally have to wear a crappy uniform. School uniforms are just crap.

Not really. Case in point, school excursions. With uniforms students are readily identifiable, without they can just slip away into the crowd. Lack of uniforms makes truanting easier.

If it's on their own notebook then you have no reason to complain.

Oh yes (she?) bloody does. Teachers are the rulers of classrooms. If you can't conform to their rules, you're likely to not be able to conform to society's rules. As Saint Jade said, normal workers don't cover their work folders and so on with obscenities. Why should students have leeway in that regard?

Yet that rarely happens. Seriously. Just look at countries without uniform rules. While there are some students who would act out regardless, a lack of a school uniform gives them more freedom where they would still follow the school rules. The Australian students dress like that more because they do not normally have the freedom to. Truancy really is no problem as how you described.

Nobody cares. It's a notebook that doesn't belong to the school. The only reason the teacher would care is because they are bitter and want to think they own everything.

[Grave_n_idle]

Some of it obviously yes is inappropriate. A lot of you mentioned isn't though. You should look at countries WITHOUT dress codes. The only reason SOME students wear what you said is because they normally have to wear a crappy uniform. School uniforms are just crap.

Not really. Case in point, school excursions. With uniforms students are readily identifiable, without they can just slip away into the crowd. Lack of uniforms makes truanting easier.

If it's on their own notebook then you have no reason to complain.

Oh yes (she?) bloody does. Teachers are the rulers of classrooms. If you can't conform to their rules, you're likely to not be able to conform to society's rules. As Saint Jade said, normal workers don't cover their work folders and so on with obscenities. Why should students have leeway in that regard?

So many ultra authoritarians on this forum. Even if your arguments were true why would any of these reasons be sufficient to restrict a persons rights?

Teachers should not be the "Rulers of the classroom" what better way to train a child how to best behave in a so called democracy then to raise them in a dictatorship of a classroom right? And you wonder why they grow up to have no understanding or desire to participate in society.

This is the kind of logic the western world fought bloody revolutions to topple.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

If you're going to push that kind of logic, you ought to bear in mind that the family structure is basically a communist dictatorship, and yet - somehow - that doesn't seem to limit the potential of consecutive generations to embrace democracy.

[Grandais]

I drop out high school because all my teachers were fucking commie

Expecially my english teacher used to give me low score because i said politically incorrect thing

She said the most stupid thing i have ever hear"Fanta was a Coca-cola production created to sell in nazi german" conspiracy theorism to much??

public school= brainwashing

Grammer fail......have fun working at the gas station Muhamed

Wow, so you spell grammar and Mohamed wrong just for starters.

So did you. It's 'Mohammed' or 'Muhammad'.

[Enn]

I drop out high school because all my teachers were fucking commie

Expecially my english teacher used to give me low score because i said politically incorrect thing

She said the most stupid thing i have ever hear"Fanta was a Coca-cola production created to sell in nazi german" conspiracy theorism to much??

public school= brainwashing

Grammer fail......have fun working at the gas station Muhamed

Wow, so you spell grammar and Mohamed wrong just for starters.

So did you. It's 'Mohammed' or 'Muhammad'.

Mehmet's another, particularly in Turkey.

[Grandais]

Actually..."Grammer/Grammar" can be spelled both ways, depending on whether you are English or American.

No, it's always 'Grammar'.

The most stupid thing that I ever heard was my history teacher trying to explain the plot of the original Frankenstein, by using the media's screwed up version... Hell, she would have come closer to the truth had she explained using Mel Brook's Young Frankenstein.

*cringes*
I've recently read the original book and loved it, it's a shame that it's never really been adapted to film anywhere near accurately.

[Enn]

Actually..."Grammer/Grammar" can be spelled both ways, depending on whether you are English or American.

No, it's always 'Grammar'.

The most stupid thing that I ever heard was my history teacher trying to explain the plot of the original Frankenstein, by using the media's screwed up version... Hell, she would have come closer to the truth had she explained using Mel Brook's Young Frankenstein.

*cringes*
I've recently read the original book and loved it, it's a shame that it's never really been adapted to film anywhere near accurately.

Kenneth Branagh's one is much closer to the original than most.

[Novograd IV]

i got told tanks didn't exist in WWI

i lol'd when i bought well sourced material to prove my point.
she hated me after that

but c'mon! i was 11

[Grandais]

Actually..."Grammer/Grammar" can be spelled both ways, depending on whether you are English or American.

No, it's always 'Grammar'.

The most stupid thing that I ever heard was my history teacher trying to explain the plot of the original Frankenstein, by using the media's screwed up version... Hell, she would have come closer to the truth had she explained using Mel Brook's Young Frankenstein.

*cringes*
I've recently read the original book and loved it, it's a shame that it's never really been adapted to film anywhere near accurately.

Kenneth Branagh's one is much closer to the original than most.

So I've heard, and I'm interested in seeing it, but I can't find it anywhere.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

My 5th grade teacher managed to screw up and put "purple" in the rainbow instead of indigo and violet. The class believed him, too.

I left that school at the end of that year.

[The Communist Arctic]

Really you left school at the end of the year? thats INCREDIBLE i mean no student ever leaves school at the end of the year.
My teacher once told us global warming was a myth. Where did you get that? The Glenn Beck show?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Really you left school at the end of the year? thats INCREDIBLE i mean no student ever leaves school at the end of the year.
My teacher once told us global warming was a myth. Where did you get that? The Glenn Beck show?

Read closer. I left THAT school at the end of THAT year.

Drunkard

[Saint Jade IV]

Some of it obviously yes is inappropriate. A lot of you mentioned isn't though. You should look at countries WITHOUT dress codes. The only reason SOME students wear what you said is because they normally have to wear a crappy uniform. School uniforms are just crap.

Not really. Case in point, school excursions. With uniforms students are readily identifiable, without they can just slip away into the crowd. Lack of uniforms makes truanting easier.

If it's on their own notebook then you have no reason to complain.

Oh yes (she?) bloody does. Teachers are the rulers of classrooms. If you can't conform to their rules, you're likely to not be able to conform to society's rules. As Saint Jade said, normal workers don't cover their work folders and so on with obscenities. Why should students have leeway in that regard?

So many ultra authoritarians on this forum. Even if your arguments were true why would any of these reasons be sufficient to restrict a persons rights?

Teachers should not be the "Rulers of the classroom" what better way to train a child how to best behave in a so called democracy then to raise them in a dictatorship of a classroom right? And you wonder why they grow up to have no understanding or desire to participate in society.

This is the kind of logic the western world fought bloody revolutions to topple.

I would really prefer if you did not refer to me as an ultra-authoritarian.

The above arguments are sufficient to restrict peoples' rights because the people in question are teenagers. They do not have the mental reasoning capacity of a fully grown adult, nor the reasoning capacity to see the consequences of their choices in the same way as an adult.

Furthermore, teachers are the rulers of their classroom in much the same way that a supervisor is the ruler of their team. They enforce the rules of that company, organisation, whatever. Don't like it - find another job. Or in this case school. As I frequently tell my students.

Uniforms enable us as teachers to enforce a level of discipline. They also provide us with a distance from the teenagers in our care that reinforces our position as authority figures. One of the things I tell my students when they complain about having to wear a uniform when teachers don't is that when they have done 4 years of uni, they can come back to school wearing their own clothes, and work in crappy conditions with little pay and less recognition for the job that they do. But at least they can wear what they like.

Students have far more rights than I had working in a call centre where even my bathroom breaks were timed and restricted. I do believe that real-world experience benefits me as a teacher, as I have something to fall back on and justify my enforcement of the rules with - experience that tells me the rules I am enforcing are no different to the rules that many of these students will find when working in the real world.

Students have ample opportunity through representation on school councils equal to that of parents and teachers, student councils and other committees. They also can organise themselves if they choose to effect change. And there are always teachers willing to help them do that. When they are mature and sensible about it. When they simply whine about the unfairness of it all because they can't buy coke from the train station but the teachers can, they simply betray the reasons why such rules are in place. Their own immaturity.