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Postby Bolrieg » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:57 am

Surprised he hasn't died already. Things won't be different since Raul has pretty much been running the country.

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Postby Jumhuriyah Hindustan » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:08 am

i'm having mixed feelings about this
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Postby Kergstan » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:41 am

Nazeroth wrote:
Kergstan wrote:He was a great man and icon of the hope of lower classes worldwide.
His constant fight against american imperialism to defend the dignity and sovereignty of that little Island 200 kms from the pigs, how can someone not admire him?

You can say everything about him but he's not making people die because of lack of money for medecines or from hunger, he is giving work to everyone, good quality education, participative politics just to tell something that USA lags behind them terribly.


So you can be a ruthless dictator as long as it's "anti-American Imperialism TM"

Yes, he was a terrible leader whom kept his people in a time capsule for his tyranny. Teaching people to read and write dosn't excuse brutally slaughtering those who stand against you and causing your population to flee in terror to America.


Time capsule wasn't his fault but america's for intervening in a way that most countries even America's allies perceived as unright. Any item that has at least 10% of parts produced in America or by american companies in foreign countries can't be sold to Cuba. And this why? Because America has to choose who are the governments of other peoples' and to do their interest. This makes my so furious because the real tyrant is you and Fidel wouldn't have the need of a strict policy on media and other subjects if America let Cuba pursue their internal and International policy that is totally pacific. Should i remember you that CIA tried to kill him 638 times?
And their citizens are escaping as economic immigrants and here we return to el bloqueo.
For the same reason american citizens can't take the cancer treatment developed in Cuba.

So stop telling bullshit because the tyrant is your dirty country and are you sure that USA is a democracy? I don't know why you use your own policies as the right ones, i mean you have two parties with the same economic policies and in Cuba they have participative democracy on local issues, they vote deputies, not in a Director way but through social organizzazione, trade unions etc.. and almost every cuban is parte of such organizations.
I'm not saying that Cuba is the beacon of democracy but it did strong progress that would be even bigger and would have started earlier if USA wouldn't have that maniacale need to do a coup in Cuba.

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Postby Esastra » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:52 am

:( Rip Comrade

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Postby Hexnet » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:04 am

RIP Fidel

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Postby Dionysian Lycanthrophy » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:25 am

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Postby Galloism » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:42 am

I honestly wonder how this will affect medical tourism to Cuba. I've known a couple people who couldn't get surgery they needed in the US, and would have wound up disabled, but were able to get treatment in Cuba and then came back to the US.

Funny stuff - they would stamp a piece of paper and paper clip it to your passport instead of stamping your passport.
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Postby Akyeland » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:46 am

He was a human after all. We shall never be happy about someone's death. Shame on you Miami :evil: :evil: :clap:

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:34 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Kergstan wrote:He was a great man and icon of the hope of lower classes worldwide.
His constant fight against american imperialism to defend the dignity and sovereignty of that little Island 200 kms from the pigs, how can someone not admire him?

You can say everything about him but he's not making people die because of lack of money for medecines or from hunger, he is giving work to everyone, good quality education, participative politics just to tell something that USA lags behind them terribly.

Even if all of what you say is true (which I doubt), at least in the USA political opponents are not silenced by firing squad.


Oh no. You guys wouldn't do the firing squad.

You guys would train someone down in the local population to take us down. Preferably if the CIA does it.

That's how it works, doesn't it?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:37 am

Nazeroth wrote:So you can be a ruthless dictator as long as it's "anti-American Imperialism TM"


I don't think "America" has a lot of room to talk, here. Considering the coups they staged and the kind of shit you guys have done in order to make sure the rest of the world does what you want.

Like I said before, I benefit from it so I don't give a fuck. But you can at least make sure to know the U.S. are not sweet little angels when it comes down to it.
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Postby Jamzmania » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:38 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:So you can be a ruthless dictator as long as it's "anti-American Imperialism TM"


I don't think "America" has a lot of room to talk, here. Considering the coups they staged and the kind of shit you guys have done in order to make sure the rest of the world does what you want.

Like I said before, I benefit from it so I don't give a fuck. But you can at least make sure to know the U.S. are not sweet little angels when it comes down to it.

Certainly better than Castro.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:40 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I don't think "America" has a lot of room to talk, here. Considering the coups they staged and the kind of shit you guys have done in order to make sure the rest of the world does what you want.

Like I said before, I benefit from it so I don't give a fuck. But you can at least make sure to know the U.S. are not sweet little angels when it comes down to it.

Certainly better than Castro.


Actually, we're worse than Castro in our own record in just 50 years.

It's just that we're the ones doing it. So, we're biased. But that is the only reason why "it's better", because we're the ones doing it. If it was someone else doing it we'd be throwing a fit (which we have, before, repeatedly).
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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Certainly better than Castro.


Actually, we're worse than Castro in our own record in just 50 years.

It's just that we're the ones doing it. So, we're biased. But that is the only reason why "it's better", because we're the ones doing it.

Does the US execute, imprison, abuse, and torture political dissidents?
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Postby HUElavia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:42 am

Akyeland wrote:He was a human after all. We shall never be happy about someone's death. Shame on you Miami :evil: :evil: :clap:

Little reminder, most of the people that left Cuba to Miami were Politically Persecuted. That's why we hate him.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:45 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Actually, we're worse than Castro in our own record in just 50 years.

It's just that we're the ones doing it. So, we're biased. But that is the only reason why "it's better", because we're the ones doing it.

Does the US execute, imprison, abuse, and torture political dissidents?


Yes? What the fuck else do you think we were doing with Castro? Killing him because we just felt like Kennedy started a routine and we just couldn't stop going after the poor bastard because otherwise we wouldn't have anything else for the CIA to do?

When it comes to imprisoning, abusing, and torturing political dissidents? I present to you Guantanamo Bay and CIA Covert operations.
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Postby Averyickan City » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:47 am

VIVA FIDEL! VIVA RAUL!

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Postby Jamzmania » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:49 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Does the US execute, imprison, abuse, and torture political dissidents?


Yes? What the fuck else do you think we were doing with Castro? Killing him because we just felt like Kennedy started a routine and we just couldn't stop going after the poor bastard because otherwise we wouldn't have anything else for the CIA to do?

When it comes to imprisoning, abusing, and torturing political dissidents? I present to you Guantanamo Bay and CIA Covert operations.

Sure, we don't do it to our own people. But that doesn't mean we don't do it.

The US tried to take out Castro, a declared enemy of America who was a human rights violator, almost caused nuclear war, and was destabilizing the entire region.

Guantanamo Bay does not hold political dissidents. It holds terrorists and enemy combatants, and don't give me that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" or some similar shit. These are real terrorists who target civilians and US military personnel.
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Postby Leon the Firm » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:50 am

His death is for the better. In less than 15 years, Cuba will be a tourist mecca with a mixed economy with more private business and millions of people's lives will improve for the better.

End of story. :clap:

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:54 am

Jamzmania wrote:The US tried to take out Castro, a declared enemy of America who was a human rights violator, almost caused nuclear war, and was destabilizing the entire region.

Guantanamo Bay does not hold political dissidents. It holds terrorists and enemy combatants, and don't give me that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" or some similar shit. These are real terrorists who target civilians and US military personnel.


Destabilizing what region? Latin America?

Excuse me while I laugh at it because it just demonstrates your naivette, really.

The United States did far more to destabilize the region and, you know, not anything to help Latin American countries. If anything, the bigger destabilizers were the United States.

Oh please, Guantanamo Bay holds reported terrorists and enemy combatants. Also, they do count as "political dissidents" since, you know, they're attacking America because of their policies in the region. So, there you go. Not to mention we don't need to do terrorism in order to make someone else do what we want. We just stage coups, and arm groups to do so, and put someone we want even if that person is a dictatorial shithead who enjoys killing people. They're our dictatorial shithead so we don't mind.

We're no better than the Castros. We just like to pretend we are.
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Postby Quam Islands » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:59 am

Rest in peaceful to a revolutionary and someone brave enough to resist American imperialism
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:03 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Only reason the media is even considering being nuanced about this is because Obama lifted the embargo and consequently they don't want to bolster Trumps popularity by talking about a murdering psycho and how Obama was buddies with his regime.

If the sanction were still in place, there would be much more negative tone and coverage of Castro.

Decades long embargo sure damaged Castro's grasp on power and improved human rights and political freedoms in Cuba. Are you saying the embargo should be reinstated until Raul capitulates?
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Postby Germania Rayet » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:16 am

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Postby USFederation » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:20 am

Major-Tom wrote:Was about to post it. Hopefully a majority here can agree that even though he was arguably a bad person who was bad for Cuba, that we can be respectful after his death and not gloat. Death is death. Condolences to those who cared for him deeply.

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