Fidel Castro Dead at Age 90

[Dwalin]

Disgusting.

Not really. Cubans don't much like him because he's kept their country under his iron grip for over half a century.

Descendents from Batista supporters hate him. There's a difference, and that's why they're all in Florida and not in Cuba.
Either way, its disgusting to celebrate the death of a person no matter what he or she did in life. The death cannot defend themselves, attacking them only shows how pathetic some can be.

[Kravanica]

Not really. Cubans don't much like him because he's kept their country under his iron grip for over half a century.

Cuban expats don't like him. It's not as one sided in Cuba itself.

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

[Kravanica]

Not really. Cubans don't much like him because he's kept their country under his iron grip for over half a century.

Descendents from Batista supporters don't like him. There's a difference, and that's why they're all in Florida and not in Cuba.
Either way, its disgusting to celebrate the death of a person no matter what he or she did in life. The death cannot defend themselves, attacking them only shows pathetic some can be.

Because as we all know the only Cubans who don't like Castro were Batista descendants.

[Gauthier]

He outlived all attempts to depose or assassinate him and died undefeated. Pretty impressive record there.

Also, in before Donald Trump claims credit for Castro's death.

[Dwalin]

Descendents from Batista supporters don't like him. There's a difference, and that's why they're all in Florida and not in Cuba.
Either way, its disgusting to celebrate the death of a person no matter what he or she did in life. The death cannot defend themselves, attacking them only shows pathetic some can be.

Because as we all know the only Cubans who don't like Castro were Batista descendants.

There's a huge difference between not liking somebody and celebrating said persons death, and last time i checked, we were talking about the latter.

[Bakery Hill]

Costa Rica and Barbados you say?

http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/10/30/nea ... in-poverty
https://web.archive.org/web/20120423020 ... &Itemid=59




Except of course they don't have a good education system, or health care system, or subsidised food and housing. Because here's the thing about poverty. I grew up pretty poor by Western standards, we didn't have disposable income. I never had any games consoles, we never went on holidays, we never really ate out or went to the cinema, but I live in a country with a good welfare state, so I grew up healthy and happy.

Do you think nobody goes hungry in Cuba? And yes, those countries do have subsidized education and health care.

Hopefully given time they can become as good as Cuba's. Where no, not many people do seem to go hungry, to the point where they're risking debt. What a basket case of a nation. Everyone knows developed countries go into debt for civilised reasons, like conducting imperialist wars across the world.

https://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/cu ... stics.html
https://www.wfp.org/countries/cuba

[Baltenstein]

So passes the last historic leader of the Cold War era.

Has Venezuela accused US death ray machines of being responsible yet?

[Bakery Hill]

Cuban expats don't like him. It's not as one sided in Cuba itself.

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what did Castro ever do for Cuba?

[Republic Of Varra]

Pretty impressive that he lived that long.

Didn't like him, but still impressive.

[Philjia]

Cuban expats don't like him. It's not as one sided in Cuba itself.

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

The man he replaced was even worse.

[Geilinor]

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

The man he replaced was even worse.

Castro killed more than Batista ever did.

[Kravanica]

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

The man he replaced was even worse.

He's killed a hell of a lot more people.

[Ethel mermania]

Umm... the U.S. also supported dictatorships in Latin America, and they were very anti-freedom when it came down to who they wanted as the ruler of the country (in several cases even going so far as to support military juntas).

So the hate politics kind of didn't start with Castro and Chavez over there, considering we staged a coup over a bunch of fucking bananas.

This is a massive understatement. The US actively trained and financed right wing paramilitaries, death squads and military juntas across the continent, they brought down multiple elected governments and invaded multiple nations. You'd be hard pressed to find a dictator in Latin America the yanks didn't support.

Castro

[Pimps Inc]

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what did Castro ever do for Cuba?

It really wasn't Castro's fault that things went to shit. It was the fall of the Soviet Union. Before that, Cuba was pretty well off. It even provided foreign aid to other Latin American nations, even if it probably wasn't the most intelligent thing to do.
And after having to fight off a US backed invasion before, I can't really blame him for not opening up the country and going hermit.

[Philjia]

The man he replaced was even worse.

He's killed a hell of a lot more people.

He was in power for longer.

[Salandriagado]

The man he replaced was even worse.

He's killed a hell of a lot more people.

Not for lack of trying, on Batista's part: Castro had rather a big advantage in terms of time (like 40 years longer?), so you can't blame Batista for falling behind a bit.

[Bakery Hill]

The man he replaced was even worse.

Castro killed more than Batista ever did.

Care to provide a reliable source for that? I know it's not your strongest suit, but give it a go mate.

[Kravanica]

He's killed a hell of a lot more people.

He was in power for longer.

And?

[Bakery Hill]

This is a massive understatement. The US actively trained and financed right wing paramilitaries, death squads and military juntas across the continent, they brought down multiple elected governments and invaded multiple nations. You'd be hard pressed to find a dictator in Latin America the yanks didn't support.

Castro

Bingo haha.

Also Noriega eventually. And a few others that stopped towing the line.

[Philjia]

He was in power for longer.

And?

Making it a somewhat academic point; Castro's death count was longer because he was dictator for forty or so years, rather than seven. I don't like Castro but I still like him a damn sight more than Batista.

[Pimps Inc]

I just found out that the day Castro and his little 26th-of-july movement departed Veracruz for Havana on November 25, 1956. 60 years apart to the day, beginning and end.

[Philjia]

Castro

Bingo haha.

Also Noriega eventually. And a few others that stopped towing the line.

What they did in Guatemala was particularly appalling. Because the democratically elected liberal government was challenging the practices of United Fruit, the CIA helped stage a coup-de-etat.

[Geilinor]

Castro killed more than Batista ever did.

Care to provide a reliable source for that? I know it's not your strongest suit, but give it a go mate.

This is the best I could find: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat7.htm The sources are well-cited, so it should be enough. The death toll under Batista is highly disputed by historians.

Mario Lazo, Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba (1968), calls Castro's charge that 20,000 were killed by Batista a "cynical falsehood". He says "total deaths ... not more than 900 on both [sides]"
Mid-Century World, Newsweek (1970) believes the accusation: 20,000 executions in 2 years. (This is probably the only mainstream American source that does. Most simply ignore it.)
Hugh Thomas, Cuba, or, the pursuit of freedom (1971, 1988): 1,500-2,000 deaths as a direct consequence of the political crisis, 1952-58, including war.
Gilbert: 2,000 deaths in 6 years of war and punitive actions.

Fidel Castro regime (1959- )
Skidmore: 550 executions in 1st six months of 1959
Gilbert: more than 2,000 executed.
WHPSI: 2,113 political executions 1958-67
Hugh Thomas, Cuba, or, the pursuit of freedom (1971, 1988): "perhaps" 5,000 executions by 1970.
In addition, Thomas cites (unfavorably: "... does not command confidence")
Cuban Information Service, 1963:
2875 executed after trial
4245 executed w/o trial
2962 killed fighting Castro's regime.
Caldeville (1969)
22,000 killed or died in jail.
2,000 drowned fleeing
27 Dec. 1998 AP (published in Minneapolis Star Tribune and Buffalo News, et al.):
cites Hugh Thomas: 5,000 might have beeen executed by 1970
"... in recent years, capital punishment has been rare."
Cuban American National Foundation (1997): 12,000 political executions (http://www.canfnet.org/english/faqfutur.htm)
11 Dec. 1998 New Statesman: 18,000 killed or disappeared since 1959 (citing Cuban American Nat'l Foundation)
Mario Lazo, Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba (1968):
15,000 put to death by 1967.
35,000 refugees drowned (based on a 75% mortality, which seems high. cf. Vietnamese and Haitian death rates.)
Total: 50,000
Rummel (1959-87):
Executions: 15,000
Boat people drowned: 51,000 (based on a 75% mortality. See above)
Died in prison: 7,000
TOTAL: 73,000
22 Feb. 1999 Houston Chronicle (editorial by Agustin Blazquez): 97,000 deaths caused by Castro. This number seems to have originally come from an unpublished study by Armando Lago [http://www.nocastro.com/archives/gohome.htm], which now apparently estimates a death toll of 116,730-119,730, the bulk of whom (85,000) disappeared at sea. [http://www.cubanueva.com/cubahoy/politica/1211_COSTOHUMANO-REVOLUCION.htm] Like most sources that only appear in editorials and Internet, be careful.
ANALYSIS: The dividing line between those who have an ax to grind and those who don't falls in the 5,000-12,000 range.

Castro's death toll is significantly higher if you include refugees who died at sea.

[Pimps Inc]

He's killed a hell of a lot more people.

Not for lack of trying, on Batista's part: Castro had rather a big advantage in terms of time (like 40 years longer?), so you can't blame Batista for falling behind a bit.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

[Salandriagado]

Not for lack of trying, on Batista's part: Castro had rather a big advantage in terms of time (like 40 years longer?), so you can't blame Batista for falling behind a bit.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

And your point is?