Fidel Castro Dead at Age 90

[Pimps Inc]

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

And your point is?

Castro was in power for half a century, a lot more than Batistas less than a decade of rule yet the counts are not extraordinarily different. But someone above me already explained in more in detail. And the only drowned Cubans that should be included in Castro's death toll are the ones he waterboarded or ordered killed that way.

[Paledonn]

There will be parades in Miami tomorrow.

Let's hope this can help bring more change to Cuba.

Good foresight. No wonder, living in exile in Miami while your relatives are stranded in terrible poverty/freedoms does not make for a good opinion of Castro.

However I'm sure he will have much support from his supporters in Cuba, radical communists, and completely misinformed millenials throughout America.

Let us make no mistake in forgetting the horrors of his reign lest we let them reemerge in the future. These horrors being oppression of Gays, religious peoples, intellectuals, the press, the freedom to move about, and political freedoms along with labor camps and firing squads to enforce these policies.

But yeah yay Communism! Yay Castro! Progressivism through regression!

Viva la Cuba.

EDIT: I do not celebrate Fidel's death, but I find it ridiculous that one not oppressed by the Cuban government (or his family) would celebrate his life.

[Dwalin]

There will be parades in Miami tomorrow.

Let's hope this can help bring more change to Cuba.

Good foresight. No wonder, living in exile in Miami while your relatives are stranded in terrible poverty/freedoms does not make for a good opinion of Castro.

However I'm sure he will have much support from his supporters in Cuba, radical communists, and completely misinformed millenials throughout America.

Let us make no mistake in forgetting the horrors of his reign lest we let them reemerge in the future. These horrors being oppression of Gays, religious peoples, intellectuals, the press, the freedom to move about, and political freedoms along with labor camps and firing squads to enforce these policies.

But yeah yay Communism! Yay Castro! Progressivism through regression!

Viva la Cuba.

EDIT: I do not celebrate Fidel's death, but I find it ridiculous that one not oppressed by the Cuban government (or his family) would celebrate his life.

Because Castro never did any good things and was the devil himself... :/

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not for lack of trying, on Batista's part: Castro had rather a big advantage in terms of time (like 40 years longer?), so you can't blame Batista for falling behind a bit.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

Only 30 thousand?

[Kravanica]

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

Only 30 thousand?

It's a tiny island. He's the poor man's Stalin or Mao.

Still scum, though.

[Dwalin]

Algeria has apparantly announced an eight day national mourning period.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Only 30 thousand?

It's a tiny island. He's the poor man's Stalin or Mao.

Still scum, though.

Eh, we've supported worse people.

That's why I don't sympathize with the outrage against Castro, to be honest. Because the only reason we were outraged at him is because he was not kissing America's ass. If he would have been kissing it, we'd be singing an entirely different tune.

[Greed and Death]

There will be parades in Miami tomorrow.

Let's hope this can help bring more change to Cuba.

Good foresight. No wonder, living in exile in Miami while your relatives are stranded in terrible poverty/freedoms does not make for a good opinion of Castro.

However I'm sure he will have much support from his supporters in Cuba, radical communists, and completely misinformed millenials throughout America.

Let us make no mistake in forgetting the horrors of his reign lest we let them reemerge in the future. These horrors being oppression of Gays, religious peoples, intellectuals, the press, the freedom to move about, and political freedoms along with labor camps and firing squads to enforce these policies.

But yeah yay Communism! Yay Castro! Progressivism through regression!

Viva la Cuba.

EDIT: I do not celebrate Fidel's death, but I find it ridiculous that one not oppressed by the Cuban government (or his family) would celebrate his life.

I am reminded of the story of one of my professors in Undergrad, Rafael E. Saumell-Muñoz. He was a producer/writer for a variety show in Cuba, I believe “Todo el Mundo Canta” Translates along the lines of "Everybody is Dancing" He was arrested, convicted of subversion, and tortured in prison for roughly 6 years until Reagan cut a deal with Castro to take Cuba's political prisoner's in.

The subversive crime was the research material for collection of short stories on a Cuban Radio station covering a period from the 1920's to the 1970's contained a handful of short stories that were critical of the revolution. He did not include the critical short stories in his final draft but they had remained in his research material.

I think it is quite reasonable that a number of people will celebrate Castro's death.

[Old Tyrannia]

Not really. Cubans don't much like him because he's kept their country under his iron grip for over half a century.

Descendents from Batista supporters hate him. There's a difference, and that's why they're all in Florida and not in Cuba.
Either way, its disgusting to celebrate the death of a person no matter what he or she did in life. The death cannot defend themselves, attacking them only shows how pathetic some can be.

Would you have said the same if it were a right-wing dictator who had died? I mean, leftists turned out on the streets of London to celebrate when Baroness Thatcher died, and she was an elected official, not a military dictator.

[Pimps Inc]

It's a tiny island. He's the poor man's Stalin or Mao.

Still scum, though.

Eh, we've supported worse people.

That's why I don't sympathize with the outrage against Castro, to be honest. Because the only reason we're outraged at him is because he's not kissing America's ass. If he was kissing it, we'd be singing an entirely different tune.

Even Kennedy respected him, despite differences.
We've supported military juntas, rebels that overthrew democratically elected governments for being "at risk" of falling to communist ideas, etc. We pretty much gave Batista a golden phone. secret aid to Pinochet, Argentina and Brazil's juntas, violent rebels in Nicaragua, and the armored cars, rifles, and training of soldiers involved in the 1968 Tlatelolco Massacre in Mexico were provided by us months prior for that very purpose, the CIA revealed in the early 2000s.

[Rio Cana]

And 2016 takes another. I guess Castro had been old and sick for ages, so it's not exactly surprising ... but still, this year is bloodthirsty.

I hope that this will lead to improving relations between the USA and Cuba.

Trump commented that the Cuba is a totalitarian state which could be a repeat of the US old policy toward Cuba .

[Sinlenian Zindujan]

The outrage against Castro is one of the many signs of the degeneration of humanity. Castro was the last really great human to live on Earth. No one don't mind some Bush or Obama destroying entire nations. Humans had gotten too evil, disgusting and hypocritical for me to have an optimistic view on the future of mankind.

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

And 2016 takes another. I guess Castro had been old and sick for ages, so it's not exactly surprising ... but still, this year is bloodthirsty.

I hope that this will lead to improving relations between the USA and Cuba.

Trump commented that the Cuba is a totalitarian state which could be a repeat of the US old policy toward Cuba .

Inb4 Bay of Pigs 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Bakery Hill]

Care to provide a reliable source for that? I know it's not your strongest suit, but give it a go mate.

This is the best I could find: http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat7.htm The sources are well-cited, so it should be enough. The death toll under Batista is highly disputed by historians.

Mario Lazo, Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba (1968), calls Castro's charge that 20,000 were killed by Batista a "cynical falsehood". He says "total deaths ... not more than 900 on both [sides]"
Mid-Century World, Newsweek (1970) believes the accusation: 20,000 executions in 2 years. (This is probably the only mainstream American source that does. Most simply ignore it.)
Hugh Thomas, Cuba, or, the pursuit of freedom (1971, 1988): 1,500-2,000 deaths as a direct consequence of the political crisis, 1952-58, including war.
Gilbert: 2,000 deaths in 6 years of war and punitive actions.

Fidel Castro regime (1959- )
Skidmore: 550 executions in 1st six months of 1959
Gilbert: more than 2,000 executed.
WHPSI: 2,113 political executions 1958-67
Hugh Thomas, Cuba, or, the pursuit of freedom (1971, 1988): "perhaps" 5,000 executions by 1970.
In addition, Thomas cites (unfavorably: "... does not command confidence")
Cuban Information Service, 1963:
2875 executed after trial
4245 executed w/o trial
2962 killed fighting Castro's regime.
Caldeville (1969)
22,000 killed or died in jail.
2,000 drowned fleeing
27 Dec. 1998 AP (published in Minneapolis Star Tribune and Buffalo News, et al.):
cites Hugh Thomas: 5,000 might have beeen executed by 1970
"... in recent years, capital punishment has been rare."
Cuban American National Foundation (1997): 12,000 political executions (http://www.canfnet.org/english/faqfutur.htm)
11 Dec. 1998 New Statesman: 18,000 killed or disappeared since 1959 (citing Cuban American Nat'l Foundation)
Mario Lazo, Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba (1968):
15,000 put to death by 1967.
35,000 refugees drowned (based on a 75% mortality, which seems high. cf. Vietnamese and Haitian death rates.)
Total: 50,000
Rummel (1959-87):
Executions: 15,000
Boat people drowned: 51,000 (based on a 75% mortality. See above)
Died in prison: 7,000
TOTAL: 73,000
22 Feb. 1999 Houston Chronicle (editorial by Agustin Blazquez): 97,000 deaths caused by Castro. This number seems to have originally come from an unpublished study by Armando Lago [http://www.nocastro.com/archives/gohome.htm], which now apparently estimates a death toll of 116,730-119,730, the bulk of whom (85,000) disappeared at sea. [http://www.cubanueva.com/cubahoy/politica/1211_COSTOHUMANO-REVOLUCION.htm] Like most sources that only appear in editorials and Internet, be careful.
ANALYSIS: The dividing line between those who have an ax to grind and those who don't falls in the 5,000-12,000 range.

Castro's death toll is significantly higher if you include refugees who died at sea.

This looks much better than any I've been able to find, thanks for going to the trouble. Will look over them in greater detail.

[Bakery Hill]

Not for lack of trying, on Batista's part: Castro had rather a big advantage in terms of time (like 40 years longer?), so you can't blame Batista for falling behind a bit.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-is-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for
Castro's count like up to 30,000 or more by varying accounts
To Bautista's 20,000
According to some US report from printing office report Wikipedia cited.

Why is no one questioning this source? It's basically jazzed up Yahoo answers.

[Ethel mermania]

A lot of them still hate him, though. Understandably so.

All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what did Castro ever do for Cuba?

The people's front of judea, would like a word.

[Dwalin]

Descendents from Batista supporters hate him. There's a difference, and that's why they're all in Florida and not in Cuba.
Either way, its disgusting to celebrate the death of a person no matter what he or she did in life. The death cannot defend themselves, attacking them only shows how pathetic some can be.

Would you have said the same if it were a right-wing dictator who had died? I mean, leftists turned out on the streets of London to celebrate when Baroness Thatcher died, and she was an elected official, not a military dictator.

I would never celebrate anyones death, not even those of people like Hitler or "coming soon" Al-Baghdadi.
Now i'm not saying one should cry or even be sad about it, but celebrating it in the Streets? That i find utterly disgusting no matter what.

[Braecland]

I didn't say what I wanted to say.

Absolutely nothing excuses Castro's tyranny and record of human rights abuses, not even his death. His murderous one-party system saw that political dissenters were imprisoned or killed. Independent newspapers were closed down, priests, homosexuals, political opponents and anyone else perceived to be a threat to his dogmatic hold on power were rounded up like animals and imprisoned in concentration camps for hard labour and re-education.

Communist Cuba had a culture of repression, censorship and fear. Freedom of expression, religion, assembly, movement, press and association were brutally cracked down upon.

The absurd moral leaps made by many left wing politicians in the West about what a "hero" he was is quite frankly cringeworthy.

No, I will not shed any tears for this man.

[Rio Cana]

People on the right says this about any leftist foreign world leader that died. Remember when they called Mandela a mass murderer and a terrorist? Same thing. It is in interest of people who follow the status quo to do so.

Mandela was a great man who was freely elected and doesn't deserve to be lumped in with an oppressive dictator.

If that oppressive dictator had not gotten involved in Angola and had not fought off the South African military, South African apartheid would have lasted much longer. If aparetheid had lasted much longer there might have been no Mandela.

[Ararat Mountain]

Happy Thanksgiving! Good riddance.

[Rio Cana]

Fidel's brother, Raul, has been president since 2006.

What power vacuum?

The new Power Vacuum 6000 that Raul bought

You need to keep up with current events, he said some time ago that he would be retiring in 2018. A new party leadership will be running things after that.

[Pimps Inc]

The outrage against Castro is one of the many signs of the degeneration of humanity. Castro was the last really great human to live on Earth. No one don't mind some Bush or Obama destroying entire nations. Humans had gotten too evil, disgusting and hypocritical for me to have an optimistic view on the future of mankind.

With a flag like that, this doesn't surprise me.
If Castro was so great, why did millions of Cubans leave?

[Geilinor]

Yeah pretty much this.

People on the right says this about any leftist foreign world leader that died. Remember when they called Mandela a mass murderer and a terrorist? Same thing. It is in interest of people who follow the status quo to do so.

Very few people said that about Mandela when he died.

[Kolechian Soviet Socialist Republic]

Is there any way to unfollow this post? I dont like having it pop up w new posts in the "view my posts" section.

[Dwalin]

The new Power Vacuum 6000 that Raul bought

You need to keep up with current events, he said some time ago that he would be retiring in 2018. A new party leadership will be running things after that.

Still though, there is no sign of any major change, and with the attitute of Trump towards Cuba it might never change. Probably for the best though, for all we know it might turn into the shithole it was under Batista again.