UK Politics Thread 18-inch Mark VI: Witty Title Forthcoming

[Hydesland]

To be fair, that's generally what happens in school (or should be, some schools might fail at this).

i've been imagining it only applying to people wanting citizenship for some reason, but the idea of it being applied in schools to all students is even more of a nightmare

What do you mean. I'm saying, kids in school are generally taught not to be racist/sexist and various other things.

[South Park Labourite]

So what, British values are stuck in a non-evolving motionless state?

let's just say i don't envy the guys that need to make guides for the integration tests.

There would be something unusual about a self-proclaimed leftist hating on working class people, except it's the new norm.

did you ever actually answer that question btw? i must have missed it.

Scroll upsies.

Also you think this is really one-sided, it's not. I believe we should introduce busing to UK schools, or ensure that the children of immigrants and migrants are placed in schools where they can mix with other people (like Denmark). No ethnic-only school, no pale as an English rose ones either. Schools should be integrated as possible.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

let's just say i don't envy the guys that need to make guides for the integration tests.



did you ever actually answer that question btw? i must have missed it.

Scroll upsies.

Also you think this is really one-sided, it's not. I believe we should introduce busing to UK schools, or ensure that the children of immigrants and migrants are placed in schools where they can mix with other people (like Denmark). No ethnic-only school, no pale as an English rose ones either. Schools should be integrated as possible.

I thought you were in favour of faith schools.

[Souseiseki]

i've been imagining it only applying to people wanting citizenship for some reason, but the idea of it being applied in schools to all students is even more of a nightmare

What do you mean. I'm saying, kids in school are generally taught not to be racist/sexist and various other things.

what's going to happen? will immigrants kids be pulled out of school if they fail? what will happen to british kids that fail? logistically it seems absurd.

there's also the problem is that it's enforcing the status quo as decided by the government, which is a dangerous prospect. sometimes it's used for things we consider good, but it's ultimately just a dice roll.

[South Park Labourite]

Scroll upsies.

Also you think this is really one-sided, it's not. I believe we should introduce busing to UK schools, or ensure that the children of immigrants and migrants are placed in schools where they can mix with other people (like Denmark). No ethnic-only school, no pale as an English rose ones either. Schools should be integrated as possible.

I thought you were in favour of faith schools.

I do still support them, I don't see why they wouldn't be incompatible. They can always be regulated better with more state supervision, plus they themselves do tend to be diverse in the case of Catholic schools and Church of England schools for instance are very diverse. Jewish schools are essential as a protection against antisemitism. Muslim schools are fine, but they need to be regulated and teach less conservative, non-Wahhibist versions of Islam. The other thing is not every Muslim, Jew or Christian goes to a religious school, so we can respect people's religious choices whilst maximising integration in the secular sector.

More problem then it's worth arise if we get rid of them as these schools will just go underground instead and there will be no state supervision whatsoever. We risk falling into a situation where preventable abuses would occur if we illegalised religious schools.

[Hydesland]

what's going to happen? will immigrants kids be pulled out of school if they fail? what will happen to british kids that fail? logistically it seems absurd.

They're not given a test/exam, it's just taught to them over several years all the time.

[Marcurix]

What do you mean. I'm saying, kids in school are generally taught not to be racist/sexist and various other things.

what's going to happen? will immigrants kids be pulled out of school if they fail? what will happen to british kids that fail? logistically it seems absurd.

there's also the problem is that it's enforcing the status quo as decided by the government, which is a dangerous prospect. sometimes it's used for things we consider good, but it's ultimately just a dice roll.

Governments in general also have a poor record when it comes to education as a whole.

[South Park Labourite]

Where is IR by the way? Haven't seen him post since I've been unbanned.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I thought you were in favour of faith schools.

I do still support them, I don't see why they wouldn't be incompatible. They can always be regulated better with more state supervision, plus they themselves do tend to be diverse in the case of Catholic schools and Church of England schools for instance are very diverse. Jewish schools are essential as a protection against antisemitism. Muslim schools are fine, but they need to be regulated and teach less conservative, non-Wahhibist versions of Islam. The other thing is not every Muslim, Jew or Christian goes to a religious school, so we can respect people's religious choices whilst maximising integration in the secular sector.

More problem then it's worth arise if we get rid of them as these schools will just go underground instead and there will be no state supervision whatsoever. We risk falling into a situation where preventable abuses would occur if we illegalised religious schools.

"We can't let people segregate themselves; we have to make them integrate. Unless they want to segregate themselves, in which case that segregation is not only acceptable, but should be state funded."

[South Park Labourite]

I do still support them, I don't see why they wouldn't be incompatible. They can always be regulated better with more state supervision, plus they themselves do tend to be diverse in the case of Catholic schools and Church of England schools for instance are very diverse. Jewish schools are essential as a protection against antisemitism. Muslim schools are fine, but they need to be regulated and teach less conservative, non-Wahhibist versions of Islam. The other thing is not every Muslim, Jew or Christian goes to a religious school, so we can respect people's religious choices whilst maximising integration in the secular sector.

More problem then it's worth arise if we get rid of them as these schools will just go underground instead and there will be no state supervision whatsoever. We risk falling into a situation where preventable abuses would occur if we illegalised religious schools.

"We can't let people segregate themselves; we have to make them integrate. Unless they want to segregate themselves, in which case that segregation is not only acceptable, but should be state funded."

Did you miss that part?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

"We can't let people segregate themselves; we have to make them integrate. Unless they want to segregate themselves, in which case that segregation is not only acceptable, but should be state funded."

Did you miss that part?

No, I saw it. I just didn't think it merited a response.

[South Park Labourite]

Did you miss that part?

No, I saw it. I just didn't think it merited a response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36302054

It would be a lot more if we got rid of faith schools.

[Souseiseki]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -cambridge

The government has unveiled plans for a fully privatised railway line, with track and trains operated by the same company.
A new route linking Oxford and Cambridge will not be developed by Network Rail, the owner of Britain’s rail infrastructure. Instead, a new entity will be responsible for track and infrastructure, as well as operating train services, under proposals drawn up by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling.
“What we are doing is taking this line out of Network Rail’s control,” Grayling told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Network Rail has got a huge number of projects to deliver at the moment … I want it to happen quicker. This is an essential corridor for this country. On that route we are going to bring in private finance, in a form to be decided.”

>there are people who looked at rail travel in the UK and said "hmm, yes, what this needs is more privatization"

[South Park Labourite]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/06/new-fully-privatised-rail-line-chris-grayling-plans-oxford-cambridge

The government has unveiled plans for a fully privatised railway line, with track and trains operated by the same company.
A new route linking Oxford and Cambridge will not be developed by Network Rail, the owner of Britain’s rail infrastructure. Instead, a new entity will be responsible for track and infrastructure, as well as operating train services, under proposals drawn up by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling.
“What we are doing is taking this line out of Network Rail’s control,” Grayling told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Network Rail has got a huge number of projects to deliver at the moment … I want it to happen quicker. This is an essential corridor for this country. On that route we are going to bring in private finance, in a form to be decided.”

>there are people who looked at rail travel in the UK and said "hmm, yes, what this needs is more privatization"

It's a fucking stupid idea.

[Eastfield Lodge]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/06/new-fully-privatised-rail-line-chris-grayling-plans-oxford-cambridge

The government has unveiled plans for a fully privatised railway line, with track and trains operated by the same company.
A new route linking Oxford and Cambridge will not be developed by Network Rail, the owner of Britain’s rail infrastructure. Instead, a new entity will be responsible for track and infrastructure, as well as operating train services, under proposals drawn up by the transport secretary, Chris Grayling.
“What we are doing is taking this line out of Network Rail’s control,” Grayling told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “Network Rail has got a huge number of projects to deliver at the moment … I want it to happen quicker. This is an essential corridor for this country. On that route we are going to bring in private finance, in a form to be decided.”

>there are people who looked at rail travel in the UK and said "hmm, yes, what this needs is more privatization"

>"New route linking Oxford and Cambridge"
>"essential corridor for the country"

[South Park Labourite]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/06/new-fully-privatised-rail-line-chris-grayling-plans-oxford-cambridge



>there are people who looked at rail travel in the UK and said "hmm, yes, what this needs is more privatization"

>"New route linking Oxford and Cambridge"
>"essential corridor for the country"

Wait a sec wtf.

Essential?!?!?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

No, I saw it. I just didn't think it merited a response.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36302054

It would be a lot more if we got rid of faith schools.

Except you want to set up a system of forcing children to attend certain schools to ensure diversity. So you're going to need to get rid of home education (which pretty much does away with the unregistered schools issue anyway), and know where every child is going to school. So, pray tell, how are unregistered schools going to survive?

[Great Nepal]

>"New route linking Oxford and Cambridge"
>"essential corridor for the country"

Wait a sec wtf.

Essential?!?!?

Probably looking to create a tech valley effect; and in any case Oxford-Cambridge is annoying route currently - you need to go to like an hour in wrong direction. Privatization itself is bad idea; but on the other hand uniting infrastructure with running of the line is good framework if future government wants to nationalize the whole thing.

[South Park Labourite]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36302054

It would be a lot more if we got rid of faith schools.

Except you want to set up a system of forcing children to attend certain schools to ensure diversity. So you're going to need to get rid of home education (which pretty much does away with the unregistered schools issue anyway), and know where every child is going to school. So, pray tell, how are unregistered schools going to survive?

Because where there is a will, there is a way. These unregistered schools don't exist because of homeschooling, children basically just stop attending their mainstream schools and go to these unregistered schools. It's as simple as that - and many of them end up not being traceable by the authorities either.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Except you want to set up a system of forcing children to attend certain schools to ensure diversity. So you're going to need to get rid of home education (which pretty much does away with the unregistered schools issue anyway), and know where every child is going to school. So, pray tell, how are unregistered schools going to survive?

Because where there is a will, there is a way. These unregistered schools don't exist because of homeschooling, children basically just stop attending their mainstream schools and go to these unregistered schools. It's as simple as that - and many of them end up not being traceable by the authorities either.

Your source disagrees with you.

[South Park Labourite]

Because where there is a will, there is a way. These unregistered schools don't exist because of homeschooling, children basically just stop attending their mainstream schools and go to these unregistered schools. It's as simple as that - and many of them end up not being traceable by the authorities either.

Your source disagrees with you.

I think I would be concerned if the BBC was expressing a bias in the faith schools debate and not objectively reporting it. Care to prove exactly how?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Your source disagrees with you.

I think I would be concerned if the BBC was expressing a bias in the faith schools debate and not objectively reporting it. Care to prove exactly how?

Excuse me?

[Dooom35796821595]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38224169

New update on Brexit! Apparently Brexit means public Brexit plan!

[FelrikTheDeleted]

If they don't know the language how will they communicate with the local natives.

One can learn a language without being legally required to do so.

You are correct, they are able to learn the common language without it having to be legally binding. However, having to learn the common language, under a legally binding contract, makes communication ultimately easier for everyone involved. This also doesn't exclude the possibility that they won't even take the initiative to learn the language at all or even past the basics. They may come to rely upon relatives. I would rather make it easier for the country and the people who reside within it by having refugees and/or immigrants learn the language than making it harder for everyone because someone couldn't speak the language.

Again we can not rely upon the individual, in this case, to take the initiative, we have no guarantee that they will take the initiative. The inability to speak the common language causes to many problems regarding social cohesion and general communication. Communication is imperative to a society.

[South Park Labourite]

I think I would be concerned if the BBC was expressing a bias in the faith schools debate and not objectively reporting it. Care to prove exactly how?

Excuse me?

Prove your claim. The source highlights the existence of illegal faith schools and I'm contending that we need legally state-funded state schools so that religious parents don't 'go underground' in terms of where they send their children - especially if they otherwise would have sent them to a state-funded state school.

You're saying the article I posted, which only highlights the existence of illegal faith schools and the issues associated them (such as ill-infrastructure and other dangers to children), somehow disproves this. Care to tell me how? Ideally speak in more one sentence at a time.