UK Politics Thread 18-inch Mark VI: Witty Title Forthcoming

[Hydesland]

Yes I've definitely not seen abusive vitriol targeted at bankers or politicians, not once.

When was the last time a banker was subjected to hate crime?

Bankers are not a protected class covered by hate crimes.

[Souseiseki]

become the subject of abuse and the target for hatred while the ruling class, bankers and other elites who have inflicted the hardship on our country are able to avoid being troubled at all.

Yes I've definitely not seen abusive vitriol targeted at bankers or politicians, not once.

depends on the specific banker or elite tbh. never forget that nigel farage, donald trump and boris fucking johnson were able to turn themselves into paragons of the not-proletariat struggling against the elite for some reason.

[South Park Labourite]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 59236.html

Some credit to the Labour Party and the work Sir Keir Starmer has done to secure this. Only Labour can deliver a proper opposition and secure a Brexit not just for the 52%, but for the 48% too, unlike the Liberal Democrats who are blindly chasing the mirage of a second referendum or the Tories who have just been shambolic and divisive.

Yes I've definitely not seen abusive vitriol targeted at bankers or politicians, not once.

depends on the specific banker or elite tbh. never forget that nigel farage, donald trump and boris fucking johnson were able to turn themselves into paragons of the not-proletariat struggling against the elite for some reason.

Maybe we should have stopped calling the people who became racist when they were trying to talk about immigration, or actually done something to improve their lot in life.

[Hydesland]

Yes I've definitely not seen abusive vitriol targeted at bankers or politicians, not once.

depends on the specific banker or elite tbh. never forget that nigel farage, donald trump and boris fucking johnson were able to turn themselves into paragons of the not-proletariat struggling against the elite for some reason.

Farage & Boris have definitely been subject to abuse, although that's hardly unsurprising given their twattery.

[Souseiseki]

or actually done something to improve their lot in life.

am i allowed to blame them for voting in parties that did the exact opposite of that or is that still my fault for some reason and how dare i question them?

[Cherya]

become the subject of abuse and the target for hatred while the ruling class, bankers and other elites who have inflicted the hardship on our country are able to avoid being troubled at all.

Yes I've definitely not seen abusive vitriol targeted at bankers or politicians, not once.

Typical, avoid the bigger picture at try to take quotes out of context. If you believe the upper classes suffer the same abuse as asylum seekers and immigrants then you're being in credulous. But you're just trying to pick a petty war of words as you cannot refute my point. Bait and switch... Bait and swith. How frightfully predictable.

[Hydesland]

Typical, avoid the bigger picture at try to take quotes out of context.

To be fair that's my forte.

[South Park Labourite]

Religious intolerance, tribalistic conflict and sectarian division is not something to encourage. Anyone who has lived through a civil war will tell you the same. You don't have to look far or even to another country - just turn your eye to Ulster and the horrors the 'Troubles' brought.

And isn't it strange that under the current government it is immigrants and people on benefits in the UK that have become the subject of abuse and the target for hatred while the ruling class, bankers and other elites who have inflicted the hardship on our country are able to avoid being troubled at all.
When the fat cat tells you that your fellow man is the source of your problems - don't be a fool and swallow such nonsense. Austerity is a tool used by the ruling elite to their own ends, time and time again.

This is the formula : Economic crash caused by manipulation by elites = extreme poverty = use of a scapegoat = radicalisation and fascism = War.. End result is the lower classes are thinned out in their numbers and kept in their place at the bottom and the rich get richer and the elites position is secured for another generation or two.

And why would they change when it works so well and we allow them to so easily breed division between us and enable them to control us? Wake up!

And all mainstream Uk political parties are all just the same people who all laugh behind your back at how much they've got you fighting over which tastes better when the piss is poured from the same barrell that you swallow so readily. Labour/Tory, same thing, same schools, they all drink together and laugh at the plebs (you and I.) But even they are just tools for the mechanisms and ruling elites who control this world. The Babylon System is a vampire.

They Live, We Sleep.

lol ok.

Will it be the Alliance for Workers' Liberty or the Socialist Workers' Party or Militant or the Communist Party of Great Britain (PCC) or the Communist Party of Britain or the Socialist Labour Party or the Communist Party of Great Britain (ML) or the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain who brings forth the revolution?

[Souseiseki]

Religious intolerance, tribalistic conflict and sectarian division is not something to encourage. Anyone who has lived through a civil war will tell you the same. You don't have to look far or even to another country - just turn your eye to Ulster and the horrors the 'Troubles' brought.

And isn't it strange that under the current government it is immigrants and people on benefits in the UK that have become the subject of abuse and the target for hatred while the ruling class, bankers and other elites who have inflicted the hardship on our country are able to avoid being troubled at all.
When the fat cat tells you that your fellow man is the source of your problems - don't be a fool and swallow such nonsense. Austerity is a tool used by the ruling elite to their own ends, time and time again.

This is the formula : Economic crash caused by manipulation by elites = extreme poverty = use of a scapegoat = radicalisation and fascism = War.. End result is the lower classes are thinned out in their numbers and kept in their place at the bottom and the rich get richer and the elites position is secured for another generation or two.

And why would they change when it works so well and we allow them to so easily breed division between us and enable them to control us? Wake up!

And all mainstream Uk political parties are all just the same people who all laugh behind your back at how much they've got you fighting over which tastes better when the piss is poured from the same barrell that you swallow so readily. Labour/Tory, same thing, same schools, they all drink together and laugh at the plebs (you and I.) But even they are just tools for the mechanisms and ruling elites who control this world. The Babylon System is a vampire.

They Live, We Sleep.

lol ok.

Will it be the AWL or the SWP or Militant or the Communist Party of Great Britain (PCC) or the Communist Party of Britain or the Socialist Labour Party or the Communist Party of Great Britain (ML) or the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain who brings forth the revolution?

imo what we need is some kind of party of organized labour

[South Park Labourite]

lol ok.

Will it be the AWL or the SWP or Militant or the Communist Party of Great Britain (PCC) or the Communist Party of Britain or the Socialist Labour Party or the Communist Party of Great Britain (ML) or the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain who brings forth the revolution?

imo what we need is some kind of party of organized labour

TUSC?

[Souseiseki]

imo what we need is some kind of party of organized labour

TUSC?

no, i'm thinking even simpler. TUSC is too verbose. it should be simpler. but i'm not sure what we can possibly call this party of labour. should it just be "party of labour"?

it could be a party that will fight for real change and real improvements in people's lives instead of "what the tories are doing, except slightly less shitty, but only slightly". it'll be great, trust me.

[South Park Labourite]

TUSC?

no, i'm thinking even simpler. TUSC is too verbose. it should be simpler. but i'm not sure what we can possibly call this party of labour. should it just be "party of labour"?

it could be a party that will fight for real change and real improvements in people's lives instead of "what the tories are doing, except slightly less shitty, but only slightly". it'll be great, trust me.

Oh yes, it already exists. It contested the Scottish Parliament elections this year. I'm assuming you voted for such a party?

[Ifreann]

or actually done something to improve their lot in life.

am i allowed to blame them for voting in parties that did the exact opposite of that or is that still my fault for some reason and how dare i question them?

The WWE WWF WWC demographic are delicate little flowers who will vote Tory should their jimmies suffer the slightest rustling, so we mustn't criticise them any more, just pander to their racist, sexist beliefs and throw them tax cuts, otherwise right-wing populism will destroy us all.

Immigrants, on the other hand, should count themselves lucky to be allowed in this green and pleasant land at all and need to put aside their backwards cultures, religions, and languages and be about British or they'll be on the plane back to whatever savage land they came from(France) so fast it'll make their non-British headwear spin.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Advocating cultural integration and trying to avoid homophobic and sexist communities being set up in our country is racist. Okay. That's certainly convinced me to smugly advocate for doing nothing about the problem. Thanks.

[Philjia]

Advocating cultural integration and trying to avoid homophobic and sexist communities being set up in our country is racist. Okay. That's certainly convinced me to smugly advocate for doing nothing about the problem. Thanks.

I do advocate for doing something, but not if that thing is, say, being Enoch Powell.

[Ifreann]

Advocating cultural integration and trying to avoid homophobic and sexist communities being set up in our country is racist. Okay. That's certainly convinced me to smugly advocate for doing nothing about the problem. Thanks.

No, no, we're not allowed to call people racist any more.

[Souseiseki]

actually that is a good point

you're going to be apply these integration/british balues tests to everyone right?

so homophobic french professor is out, right?

i mean, i know neither of you have a drop of bias in your blood so it's fall fine, but historically such things have been unfairly applied so i need to ask. hopefully it's just a formality.

[South Park Labourite]

Advocating cultural integration and trying to avoid homophobic and sexist communities being set up in our country is racist. Okay. That's certainly convinced me to smugly advocate for doing nothing about the problem. Thanks.

I do advocate for doing something, but not if that thing is, say, being Enoch Powell.

Wasn't Powell quite homophobic and sexist? Also if arguing against multiculturalism constitutes 'being Enoch Powell', then jeez the left is lost and the new Enoch Powells like Chuka Umunna should shut up.

[South Park Labourite]

actually that is a good point

you're going to be apply these integration/british balues tests to everyone right?

so homophobic french professor is out, right?

i mean, i know neither of you have a drop of bias in your blood so it's fall fine, but historically such things have been unfairly applied so i need to ask. hopefully it's just a formality.

Theoretically yes, though I envisage there would be exemptions for high-skilled occupation and jobs where there is a shortage. So not likely a professor, but being French or German or American is certainly not an exemption.

[Souseiseki]

Wasn't Powell quite homophobic and sexist?

such a lack of respect for british values

[South Park Labourite]

Wasn't Powell quite homophobic and sexist?

such a lack of respect for british values

So what, British values are stuck in a non-evolving motionless state?

[South Park Labourite]

am i allowed to blame them for voting in parties that did the exact opposite of that or is that still my fault for some reason and how dare i question them?

The WWE WWF WWC demographic are delicate little flowers who will vote Tory should their jimmies suffer the slightest rustling, so we mustn't criticise them any more, just pander to their racist, sexist beliefs

There would be something unusual about a self-proclaimed leftist hating on working class people, except it's the new norm.

[Souseiseki]

such a lack of respect for british values

So what, British values are stuck in a non-evolving motionless state?

let's just say i don't envy the guys that need to make guides for the integration tests.

The WWE WWF WWC demographic are delicate little flowers who will vote Tory should their jimmies suffer the slightest rustling, so we mustn't criticise them any more, just pander to their racist, sexist beliefs

There would be something unusual about a self-proclaimed leftist hating on working class people, except it's the new norm.

did you ever actually answer that question btw? i must have missed it.

[Hydesland]

you're going to be apply these integration/british balues tests to everyone right?

To be fair, that's generally what happens in school (or should be, some schools might fail at this).

[Souseiseki]

you're going to be apply these integration/british balues tests to everyone right?

To be fair, that's generally what happens in school (or should be, some schools might fail at this).

i've been imagining it only applying to people wanting citizenship for some reason, but the idea of it being applied in schools to all students is even more of a nightmare