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Souseiseki wrote:

The Archregimancy wrote:On the subject of the Nuttall blog post, I particularly liked the BtL comment from 'Jim':



Because there's nothing quite like a conspiratorial reference to the Dolchstoßlegende to convince us that UKIP's core support are all just good, plain, common-sense non-racists.

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I'll hold out the vague hope that 'Jim' wasn't necessarily himself fully aware of what he was referencing; but, well.... qui cum canibus concumbunt cum pulicibus surgent.

i think you'll find my theory of marxist professors feeling germany to secretly infiltrate and destroy our culture and civilization is actually completely free of any unfortunate undertones

To be fair, that theory isn't complete nonsense.

I mean, if you get rid of all the conspiratorial crap, there is a kernel of truth to the whole cultural Marxism thing. Frankfurt School professors moving to the US is one of the main reasons why Sociology is considered a legitimate field of study, and not just the inbred cousin of Psychology. To a certain extent, cultural Marxists did infiltrate society and change it, not necessarily for the better.

But yes, UKIP is full of shit.

My problem with the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy is that these Marxists supposedly exert great influence but class consciousness is negligible and in long term decline. So these Marxists have been going around conspiring to make society more liberal but forgot to put any effort into economics. I thought that was a quite important part of Marxist philosophy but presumably I'm misremembering...

Dumb Ideologies wrote:My problem with the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy is that these Marxists supposedly exert great influence but class consciousness is negligible and in long term decline. So these Marxists have been going around conspiring to make society more liberal but forgot to put any effort into economics. I thought that was a quite important part of Marxist philosophy but presumably I'm misremembering...

Presumably they're going to get around to the whole "being communist" part of communism after they destroy traditional Christian values and force everyone to become gay feminist Jews.

Souseiseki wrote:"And it’s the same political correctness that has given us so many second rate politicians through enforced women-only short lists and the “I know my rights” society."

lol the i know my rights society are you kidding me

"It ensures that we don’t complain when we’re unwittingly given halal meat through fear of being called an Islamophobe, or when frisked at an airport like a suspected terrorist, even though it’s bloody obvious you’re not."

i am sure that paul nuttal has a deep empathy with those that are unfairly profiled at airports mmm

"Unwittingly given halal meat"

When has that ever happened and who even cares?

Geilinor wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:"And it’s the same political correctness that has given us so many second rate politicians through enforced women-only short lists and the “I know my rights” society."

lol the i know my rights society are you kidding me

"It ensures that we don’t complain when we’re unwittingly given halal meat through fear of being called an Islamophobe, or when frisked at an airport like a suspected terrorist, even though it’s bloody obvious you’re not."

i am sure that paul nuttal has a deep empathy with those that are unfairly profiled at airports mmm

"Unwittingly given halal meat"

When has that ever happened and who even cares?

No one actually cares; it's just a whining point for people with nothing better to complain about.

Souseiseki wrote:http://www.paulnuttallmep.com/cultural-marxism/

holy shit lol

*Laughs in a dangerously Bolshevik fashion*

The Archregimancy wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:i think you'll find my theory of marxist professors feeling germany

Freudian slip, or is cultural Marxism pornographic, too?

You decide.

*Stares in a dangerously and sensually Bolshevik fashion*

Seriously this guy sounds like a bit of a....nut!

Ahaaaaaaa! Jok-*Dead*

So... Immigrants anyone?

New Benian Republic wrote:So... Immigrants anyone?

What about em?

Paul Nuttall looks like a deflated Eric Pickles

New Benian Republic wrote:So... Immigrants anyone?

Oh, yes please.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:My problem with the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy is that these Marxists supposedly exert great influence but class consciousness is negligible and in long term decline. So these Marxists have been going around conspiring to make society more liberal but forgot to put any effort into economics. I thought that was a quite important part of Marxist philosophy but presumably I'm misremembering...

The theory goes that Western culture is so based in class that it's pointless to try and raise class consciousness until you destroy western civilization.

Geilinor wrote:

Souseiseki wrote:"And it’s the same political correctness that has given us so many second rate politicians through enforced women-only short lists and the “I know my rights” society."

lol the i know my rights society are you kidding me

"It ensures that we don’t complain when we’re unwittingly given halal meat through fear of being called an Islamophobe, or when frisked at an airport like a suspected terrorist, even though it’s bloody obvious you’re not."

i am sure that paul nuttal has a deep empathy with those that are unfairly profiled at airports mmm

"Unwittingly given halal meat"

When has that ever happened and who even cares?

I would prefer my animals were slaughtered according to secular guidelines and not to hand over that task to people given special exemptions for brutality to animals because their invisible friend told them to do it.

Quite a few outlets now use Halal meat because:

1. It allows muslims to eat there (An example of how the mere presence of religious fundamentalists warps the culture and institutions of a country trying to tolerate them.) and they need to maximize their consumer base, especially because they aren't spread out but heavily clustered in colonies ghettos.

2. It's cheaper, because you don't have to go through the high standards needed for animal cruelty laws.

It's similar to creeping gender segregation in areas near muslim colonies.
In order to accomodate muslims, gender segregation is brought in for stuff like, say, swimming:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... ly-sessio/


There's plenty of examples of Islamification in the country that are facilitated by the progressive mindset and multiculturalism. They demonstrate that the presence of Muslims in the country is an impasse, one of us must adapt our society to the other. The problem is many of the demands they make for accommodation are regressive, backward, and have no place in any society, let alone ours.

Until the left wakes up and realizes that we need to tell Muslim communities to modernize, disperse, or get out, the populist movement against them will continue to grow.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Geilinor wrote:"Unwittingly given halal meat"

When has that ever happened and who even cares?

I would prefer my animals were slaughtered according to secular guidelines and not to hand over that task to people given special exemptions for brutality to animals because their invisible friend told them to do it.

Quite a few outlets now use Halal meat because:

1. It allows muslims to eat there (An example of how the mere presence of religious fundamentalists warps the culture and institutions of a country trying to tolerate them.) and they need to maximize their consumer base, especially because they aren't spread out but heavily clustered in colonies ghettos.

2. It's cheaper, because you don't have to go through the high standards needed for animal cruelty laws.

It's similar to creeping gender segregation in areas near muslim colonies.
In order to accomodate muslims, gender segregation is brought in for stuff like, say, swimming:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... ly-sessio/

Which animal cruelty laws? Halal and kosher slaughter aren't banned.

Geilinor wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I would prefer my animals were slaughtered according to secular guidelines and not to hand over that task to people given special exemptions for brutality to animals because their invisible friend told them to do it.

Quite a few outlets now use Halal meat because:

1. It allows muslims to eat there (An example of how the mere presence of religious fundamentalists warps the culture and institutions of a country trying to tolerate them.) and they need to maximize their consumer base, especially because they aren't spread out but heavily clustered in colonies ghettos.

2. It's cheaper, because you don't have to go through the high standards needed for animal cruelty laws.

It's similar to creeping gender segregation in areas near muslim colonies.
In order to accomodate muslims, gender segregation is brought in for stuff like, say, swimming:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... ly-sessio/

Which animal cruelty laws? Halal and kosher slaughter aren't banned.

Largely because of special exemptions given to religious people. Were it done that way for secular reasons, it would be banned. I don't see why we should give them these exemptions.
Regardless, allowing people to choose the manner in which the animal was slaughtered and raised, even if legal, is fundamental to many people.

I don't buy stuff from cage farms either. But that's legal.

Ostroeuropa wrote:Regardless, allowing people to choose the manner in which the animal was slaughtered and raised, even if legal, is fundamental to many people.

I don't buy stuff from cage farms either. But that's legal.

Restaurants can choose the meat they serve. People who want that choice can go to a restaurant that doesn't serve halal meat or cook at home.

Geilinor wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:Regardless, allowing people to choose the manner in which the animal was slaughtered and raised, even if legal, is fundamental to many people.

I don't buy stuff from cage farms either. But that's legal.

Restaurants can choose the meat they serve. People who want that choice can go to a restaurant that doesn't serve halal meat or cook at home.

You wouldn't consider it a worrying trend if the country was slowly slipping to the lowest passable level for treatment of animals?

And again, you're missing part of the point. You've basically just up and said that non-muslims will have to eat at home while all our meat-production and sale institutions become islamified, despite this being worse for animals, because why exactly?

I suppose you feel similarly about gender segregation? Just "Swim elsewhere"?

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Geilinor wrote:Restaurants can choose the meat they serve. People who want that choice can go to a restaurant that doesn't serve halal meat or cook at home.

You wouldn't consider it a worrying trend if the country was slowly slipping to the lowest passable level for treatment of animals?

And again, you're missing part of the point. You've basically just up and said that non-muslims will have to eat at home while all our meat-production and sale institutions become islamified, despite this being worse for animals, because why exactly?

I suppose you feel similarly about gender segregation? Just "Swim elsewhere"?

I did say, "go to a restaurant that doesn't serve halal meat". It sounds like individual choice and the free market. I'm vegetarian myself, it doesn't mean I want to ban things I don't want to eat.

Geilinor wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
You wouldn't consider it a worrying trend if the country was slowly slipping to the lowest passable level for treatment of animals?

And again, you're missing part of the point. You've basically just up and said that non-muslims will have to eat at home while all our meat-production and sale institutions become islamified, despite this being worse for animals, because why exactly?

I suppose you feel similarly about gender segregation? Just "Swim elsewhere"?

I did say, "go to a restaurant that doesn't serve halal meat". It sounds like individual choice and the free market.

It's not individual choice and the free market, because it's religious exemptions. It's not a free market if regulations apply to everyone else but not you.

The solution is to either ban halal slaughter, or to lower our secular standards. The alternate is that Halal is simply more cost effective because of government regulation making it so.

Or, allow the Islamification of our meat industry.

would you feel the same way about kosher meat

Souseiseki wrote:would you feel the same way about kosher meat

Yes, I would. The reason this problem has become noticable is the larger number of Muslims meaning institutions are starting to flip to halal slaughter, which makes it a more pressing issue, but it was always an issue, same as genital mutilation.

Shuja Shafi and Jonathan Arkush, writing in The Guardian, say religious slaughter is as humane as the alternatives. They argue that traditional British methods of stunning, using a captive bolt, gas or electricity, only paralyse the animal so it cannot move and "it is impossible to know whether the animal is feeling pain or not".

In both Muslim and Jewish religious slaughter, the act of slitting the throat "stuns the animal", they say, and "there is no delay between stun and subsequent death".

Animal health experts and campaigners disagree. The British Veterinary Association calls for all animals to be effectively stunned before slaughter, while the Farm Animal Welfare Council says cutting an animal's throat is "such a massive injury [that it] would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes".

The RSPCA argues that killing animals without stunning them causes "unnecessary suffering", while activist group Peta says the beasts "fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks".

http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-me ... t-inhumane

There's really nothing to it. It's creation science V evolution levels of "Debate."

If you support halal slaughter, you support animal cruelty.
The actual experts are unanimous on it, and their opponents are just muslim commentators.

I'd wager the same is true of Kosher.

Again, this is just ONE ISSUE showing how the presence of muslims and the multicultural progressive response is extremely regressive for our society.

The amount of needless suffering in the united kingdom will rise as a result of just this, quite significantly.

Ostroeuropa wrote: while activist group Peta says the beasts "fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks".

http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-me ... t-inhumane

There's really nothing to it. It's creation science V evolution levels of "Debate."

If you support halal slaughter, you support animal cruelty.
The actual experts are unanimous on it, and their opponents are just muslim commentators.

I'd wager the same is true of Kosher.[/quote]
The other groups are legitimate, but I can't believe you just cited Peta.

Geilinor wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote: while activist group Peta says the beasts "fight and gasp for their last breath, struggling to stand while the blood drains from their necks".

http://www.theweek.co.uk/58447/halal-me ... t-inhumane

There's really nothing to it. It's creation science V evolution levels of "Debate."

If you support halal slaughter, you support animal cruelty.
The actual experts are unanimous on it, and their opponents are just muslim commentators.

I'd wager the same is true of Kosher.
The other groups are legitimate, but I can't believe you just cited Peta.

I didn't, the article did. And if you have to focus on things in order to avoid the overarching point, I think they call that "Reaching."

You're reaching for an excuse, any excuse, to not confront the fact that this is an issue that needs to be resolved. Why not address the point?

Hear the pope might be visiting NI when he pops over to the Republic, might get some entertaining reactions if he does come here.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Dumb Ideologies wrote:My problem with the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy is that these Marxists supposedly exert great influence but class consciousness is negligible and in long term decline. So these Marxists have been going around conspiring to make society more liberal but forgot to put any effort into economics. I thought that was a quite important part of Marxist philosophy but presumably I'm misremembering...

The theory goes that Western culture is so based in class that it's pointless to try and raise class consciousness until you destroy western civilization.

That's got to be the shittest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

1. Liberalism
2. Western civilization collapses, because reasons
3. ???
4. Full communism

Words fail me.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The theory goes that Western culture is so based in class that it's pointless to try and raise class consciousness until you destroy western civilization.

That's got to be the shittest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.

1. Liberalism
2. Western civilization collapses, because reasons
3. ???
4. Full communism

Words fail me.

I think the irrationality of it is part of the reason it's used. As in, "This ideology is clearly shit and wont make communism work, these people are just TruBelievers" is an aspect of it, not a flaw.

Sort of like a conspiracy theory about how a dozen or so US officials are trying to start a nuclear war to summon morgoth. It doesn't have to make sense to you, you just have to believe it makes sense to them, and we need to stop them.

If the conspiracy theory was;
"Here is a detailed step by step plan for how to make communism work" it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory.

Sometimes you find the types who ramble about how Muslims were often Marxists and convinced a bunch of white communists that western culture was simply not as a good as Islamic culture for fostering communist sentiment and thats why we're being colonized, but there's like, thousands of different interpretations.

It boils down to red scare mumbo jumbo, but the pattern of "Cultural marxism" they lay out in terms of being anti-western makes sense.