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[Vassenor]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Labour would be worse. For as bad as the conservatives are, Labour is currently worse.

In what ways?

[Imperializt Russia]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Labour would be worse. For as bad as the conservatives are, Labour is currently worse.

Demonstrate this.

[Major-Tom]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Labour would be worse. For as bad as the conservatives are, Labour is currently worse.

I did forget that Labour, which had a paid for manifesto, suggested small tax increases to cover for much needed public spending, and a party that could negotiate a better Brexit is much worse than the destructive, austerity driven, economically incompetent Tories.

[Eastfield Lodge]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Yes, but if "autumn" means "september" then that could be tactically timed to divide and suppress the student vote, which was clearly instrumental to Corbyn's gains in this election.

I suspect that young people may be more vulnerable to election fatigue than older voters.
Especially with the disheartening news from the YouGov polling that suggests only ~58% of voters 18-24 turned out to vote, in spite of the 72% number doing the rounds, and the 64% 18-24 turnout in the EU referendum.

To be fair, June is perfectly timed to break the student vote. Most students are either too busy studying for exams or have just returned home.

[Major-Tom]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Yes, but if "autumn" means "september" then that could be tactically timed to divide and suppress the student vote, which was clearly instrumental to Corbyn's gains in this election.

I suspect that young people may be more vulnerable to election fatigue than older voters.
Especially with the disheartening news from the YouGov polling that suggests only ~58% of voters 18-24 turned out to vote, in spite of the 72% number doing the rounds, and the 64% 18-24 turnout in the EU referendum.

Perhaps Labour needs to target more than just the student vote. He needs to convince the wider middle class that more Tories means more cuts to public services and worsening inequality.

[Dooom35796821595]

Labour would be worse. For as bad as the conservatives are, Labour is currently worse.

In what ways?

Conservatives have a placeholder leader with a majority held up by the DUP, allowing other parties to influence important policy like Brexit without radical change toward either side.

[Geilinor]

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63 percent of Britons now have an unfavorable opinion of Theresa May. Heres to hoping for an autumn election and a Labour landslide!

I say heres to hoping, because I find the likelihood of that....slim.

Wow. And Corbyn was supposed to be the unpopular one.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, but if "autumn" means "september" then that could be tactically timed to divide and suppress the student vote, which was clearly instrumental to Corbyn's gains in this election.

I suspect that young people may be more vulnerable to election fatigue than older voters.
Especially with the disheartening news from the YouGov polling that suggests only ~58% of voters 18-24 turned out to vote, in spite of the 72% number doing the rounds, and the 64% 18-24 turnout in the EU referendum.

Perhaps Labour needs to target more than just the student vote. He needs to convince the wider middle class that more Tories means more cuts to public services and worsening inequality.

Well, now that we've shown that Labour isn't the shambles the Tories and the pro-Tory media were claiming they were, and that the Tories have floundered at every turn and the unelectable Corbyn has shown that, well, he's eminently electable and certainly a statesman and a leader despite the Tories and pro-Tory media telling us he isn't because if people thought he wasn't then he couldn't really challenge May...

Seems eminently possible for a natural swing back to Labour by the general public at large.
Really, I want Corbyn to target the young person vote. For too long, we've been completely ignored and totally discounted because we don't go out and vote. We've shown we will go out and vote now. And if we build on that turnout and show that the youth are a political force, we will finally be catered to.

[Major-Tom]

Perhaps Labour needs to target more than just the student vote. He needs to convince the wider middle class that more Tories means more cuts to public services and worsening inequality.

Well, now that we've shown that Labour isn't the shambles the Tories and the pro-Tory media were claiming they were, and that the Tories have floundered at every turn and the unelectable Corbyn has shown that, well, he's eminently electable and certainly a statesman and a leader despite the Tories and pro-Tory media telling us he isn't because if people thought he wasn't then he couldn't really challenge May...

Seems eminently possible for a natural swing back to Labour by the general public at large.
Really, I want Corbyn to target the young person vote. For too long, we've been completely ignored and totally discounted because we don't go out and vote. We've shown we will go out and vote now. And if we build on that turnout and show that the youth are a political force, we will finally be catered to.

I just want Corbyn to win, and I want him to win quickly and swiftly and decisively. How he does that is up to him. He bounced back from a 20 point deficit, I trust that he can lead Labour.

[Questers]

Britain's greatest field marshal wore the black beret of RTR.

I'd be hard pressed to call Michael Carver 'Britain's greatest field marshal'. I assume you mean Carver?

In any case, the judgement's subjective - so we'll instead have to focus on objectively identifying the British field marshal with the greatest name.

Which was clearly Studholme Hodgson.

I said wore -- not that he was a member of. Im talking about Monty.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd be hard pressed to call Michael Carver 'Britain's greatest field marshal'. I assume you mean Carver?

In any case, the judgement's subjective - so we'll instead have to focus on objectively identifying the British field marshal with the greatest name.

Which was clearly Studholme Hodgson.

I said wore -- not that he was a member of. Im talking about Monty.

And Wellington just stabbed you in the eye...

[Fartsniffage]

[Imperializt Russia]

Someone should get ready on a MkVII thread, this'll get locked at 500 pages.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The Lib Dems can finally rebuild their lives, no longer under the destructive influence of cleggabis, a substance known to cause bizarre mis-prioritisation, terrible political decisions and an obsession with bandwagons.

[Philjia]

MPs discuss televising Commons procedings in 1975, fourteen years before it happened, in an interview with British Pathé.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsSF0pzc9DI

Just an interesting little historical nugget.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hahah

[Vassenor]

Basic. Freaking. Research.

[Ifreann]

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Hahah

Sinn, as we all recall, took over leadership of the DUP when his father Alan Fein retired.

[Imperializt Russia]

Some Electoral Commission news: figures for the last official week of campaigning have been released.
I chose to not bother updating the chart of donations, because the spending didn't change from the week before (ending May 31st), £1.1m each to Labour and the Conservatives. I suspect it's an unprecedently high amount of spending, however.

Interestingly, Vote Leave recently declared some spending.
On the 8th June 2017, they declared spending towards Mr Darren Grimes, a "permitted participant". Three payments of £185k, £400k and £40k, in "non-cash"(?) payments.
Payment date?
13th to 21st June 2016

Declared more than one fucking year later.
At an interesting time, too.

[Imperializt Russia]

Guy Opperman, Tory MP, claimed in 2013 that his former job as a £250/hr barrister on "no fixed hours" meant he was qualified to comment on the validity of zero-hours contracts, which at least 1 million UK workers are on.

In Theresa May's cabinet reshuffle, Opperman has been promoted to a junior position in the DWP.
When I was working full-time on a zero-hours contract, I wasn't making £250 a week, he can fuck right off.
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[Salandriagado]

Oh DUP, are there any ideas you have that aren't stupid?

I think they want the pope to be declared the antichrist, which sounds hilarious. From a religiously neutral perspective, of course.

Damnit, Otto von Habsburg isn't around to kick their arses over that one any more.

[Questers]

He needs to convince the wider middle class that more Tories means more cuts to public services and worsening inequality.

I don't think so. There is no such thing as the "wider middle class" in Britain. The problem is not getting people in our "middle class" to vote for tax-raises on themselves in order to redistribute wealth.

Labour was talking about reducing the top rate to £80,000, and adding a new rate of 50p for above £123,000. After existing taxes that's already the top 2 and 1% respectively; before taxes it goes down to the top 5%. Approximately 5% of students in England and Wales go to Independent schools too.

The Labour manifesto was about more funding for comprehensive schools and scrapping tuition fees, more spending on the NHS, and investing in transport and infrastructure. This might not appeal to the top 5% or even the top 10% but we are never going to get those people anyway.

In this country after-tax the 60th income percentile (individual, not household) is £23,100 (2015 numbers). The 70th income percentile is £27,300. In this country someone who maintains railways or operates cranes is actually somewhere between the 65th and 70th after-tax income percentiles. I use the after-tax numbers because it's not like the Tories are considering abolishing income tax and NI. These numbers represent peoples realistic levels of income.

Labour will win when it mobilises its base - when it gets voters from the C-E social classes, and some of the B class, not by appealing to the "middle class" - which in this country is actually one half of the B social class and thre quarters of the A social class. To win it needs to get those people to turn out and vote for it.

[Souseiseki]

the greatest meme of modern capitalism is tricking the working class into think they're the middle class

[Vassenor]

Looks like the government may have blinked over the divorce bill.

[Souseiseki]

are we actually going to start EU talks without a government