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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:17 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ithqington wrote:Is that same woman who say that "Britain never have a open door immigration"? :eyebrow:

What's your implication?

That you must distrust everything she says.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:18 am

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Vassenor wrote:
But they're supposed to be rolling over and giving us everything we want like Boris said they would because they have to.

Why it's actually funny is that Britain had a traditional, reliable, ally base in the EU that was conveniently forgotten about in the referendum campaign.

Saying, "we have these countries who we ally with in the EU" would probably have gone a long way for showing that the EU is an integrating force and countering the bullshit that we're "always outvoted".


don't forget "we actually used to have an extremely powerful european lobbying group until we cut it to death"
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:21 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
can you post what he actually said

can't wait for the politicians that gave condolences on the saudi arabian king's death and gave him (slightly deserved) praise for his reforms turn around and act like praising castro is the worst thing in the world

Corbyn said he was "an important figure in our lives", Galloway went full sploosh and declared him "man of the century".

Trump called him a brutal dictator and hoped Cuba could move on from his reign (that ended ten years ago) to become the freer Cuba Cubans deserved while Obama said history would remember what Castro achieved.

Obama has to give a diplomatic statement, Trump's statement was really not that bad though. Hopefully he'll get a little more control over his tweeting.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:23 am

Geilinor wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Corbyn said he was "an important figure in our lives", Galloway went full sploosh and declared him "man of the century".

Trump called him a brutal dictator and hoped Cuba could move on from his reign (that ended ten years ago) to become the freer Cuba Cubans deserved while Obama said history would remember what Castro achieved.

Obama has to give a diplomatic statement, Trump's statement was really not that bad though. Hopefully he'll get a little more control over his tweeting.

It was relatively tame for Trump, kind of disappointed he didn't finish it with "#badhombres", but it was otherwise very middle-of-the-road Republican opinions on socialist leaders.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:23 am

Geilinor wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Corbyn said he was "an important figure in our lives", Galloway went full sploosh and declared him "man of the century".

Trump called him a brutal dictator and hoped Cuba could move on from his reign (that ended ten years ago) to become the freer Cuba Cubans deserved while Obama said history would remember what Castro achieved.

Obama has to give a diplomatic statement, Trump's statement was really not that bad though. Hopefully he'll get a little more control over his tweeting.


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Postby Geilinor » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:29 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Obama has to give a diplomatic statement, Trump's statement was really not that bad though. Hopefully he'll get a little more control over his tweeting.

It was relatively tame for Trump, kind of disappointed he didn't finish it with "#badhombres", but it was otherwise very middle-of-the-road Republican opinions on socialist leaders.

It was quite milder than Marco Rubio's, who called him evil.
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Postby Ithqington » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:31 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ithqington wrote:Is that same woman who say that "Britain never have a open door immigration"? :eyebrow:

What's your implication?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWk29MhTb-g

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:43 am

Ithqington wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:What's your implication?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWk29MhTb-g

What's your implication?

Why is "didn't she say there was no open door immigration" a response to her saying that being UKIP-lite won't win for Labour.
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Postby Ithqington » Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:50 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:

What's your implication?

Why is "didn't she say there was no open door immigration" a response to her saying that being UKIP-lite won't win for Labour.

Sorry

It just anytime I see her name. It reminded me of one of biggest mistake that she ever made.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:02 am



There could be a lot fewer Brexit voters left after this winter.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:30 am

So are most of the regulars here on bans or something?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:22 am

Frank Zipper wrote:So are most of the regulars here on bans or something?


Nah mate, there's just fuck all going on. The country is all eating our packed lunches and discussing the proper mechanics of biscuit dunking. Even the terrorists.

Soon enough someone will fart or something and we'll be right back to banter.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:32 am

In a statement on its website, GB Energy said: “Due to swift and significant increases in energy prices over recent months and, as a small supplier our inability to forward buy energy to allow us to access the best possible wholesale prices, means that the position of the business has become untenable.”


i wonder where swift and significant increases in energy prices are coming from.

seems like it's a market that is almost impossible for small suppliers to survive in. not very conductive to new players or competition.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:49 am

I dunno have to feel about these figures:

CON 41%(+1), LAB 29%(-3), LDEM 7%(+1), UKIP 12%(-1).

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Opinium found May & Hammond with a 26 point lead over Corbyn & McDonnell on who they’d trust to run the economy (44% to 18%), ICM gives tham a 33 point lead on which team would be better able to run the economy (48% to 15%).


So...

The tory numbers make sense, but what the fuck?
Whereas the number of Tory voters pretty much lines up with the number of people who think they can run an economy, apparently, half of people who plan to vote for Labour think doing so will fuck the economy up. ...
Okay.

Am I missing something? Some wedge issue the tories are hemorrhaging apparent support over that Labour is actually worth something on?


Cos from what i've seen, Corbyns entire shtick is the economy and kind of vaguely nodding toward the kind of social issues that immediately piss everyone except Urban elites and progressive ideologues off.

Disarmament maybe? I honestly don't get it. On every issue I could conceivably see the Tories being wedged on, Labour are as bad if not worse.
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:12 am

Frank Zipper wrote:So are most of the regulars here on bans or something?

Lamadia was DEATed and Wolf got another ban. Add a slow news week and it makes for a quiet thread.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:17 am

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:So are most of the regulars here on bans or something?

Lamadia was DEATed and Wolf got another ban. Add a slow news week and it makes for a quiet thread.


IR's on ban too.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:27 am

Am I missing something? Some wedge issue the tories are hemorrhaging apparent support over that Labour is actually worth something on?


Cos from what i've seen, Corbyns entire shtick is the economy and kind of vaguely nodding toward the kind of social issues that immediately piss everyone except Urban elites and progressive ideologues off.

Disarmament maybe? I honestly don't get it. On every issue I could conceivably see the Tories being wedged on, Labour are as bad if not worse.


imo the wedge issue is probably them being tories. some people will never vote tory because they know they'll just fuck them over. it saves people the embarrassment of literally crying on national television about how they were totes sure that this time they weren't being the same [redacted to please tastes of american mods] they are always are. at the risk of spoilers, they were. the great theresa may revolution is already proving to be "actually the same shit as always".
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Postby Philjia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:26 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Am I missing something? Some wedge issue the tories are hemorrhaging apparent support over that Labour is actually worth something on?


Cos from what i've seen, Corbyns entire shtick is the economy and kind of vaguely nodding toward the kind of social issues that immediately piss everyone except Urban elites and progressive ideologues off.

Disarmament maybe? I honestly don't get it. On every issue I could conceivably see the Tories being wedged on, Labour are as bad if not worse.


imo the wedge issue is probably them being tories. some people will never vote tory because they know they'll just fuck them over. it saves people the embarrassment of literally crying on national television about how they were totes sure that this time they weren't being the same [redacted to please tastes of american mods] they are always are. at the risk of spoilers, they were. the great theresa may revolution is already proving to be "actually the same shit as always".


I'd happily take "well meaning, but incompetent" over "bastards" any day. Hence why I joined the Greens. :D
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:33 am

Philjia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
imo the wedge issue is probably them being tories. some people will never vote tory because they know they'll just fuck them over. it saves people the embarrassment of literally crying on national television about how they were totes sure that this time they weren't being the same [redacted to please tastes of american mods] they are always are. at the risk of spoilers, they were. the great theresa may revolution is already proving to be "actually the same shit as always".


I'd happily take "well meaning, but incompetent" over "bastards" any day. Hence why I joined the Greens. :D

They should make that their campaign slogan.

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Postby Dionysian Lycanthrophy » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:57 am

I'm bored. Where's Brexit?
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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:01 am

Dionysian Lycanthrophy wrote:I'm bored. Where's Brexit?

No one knows. We can all tell you what it means though.

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Postby Dionysian Lycanthrophy » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:03 am

Anywhere Else But Here wrote:
Dionysian Lycanthrophy wrote:I'm bored. Where's Brexit?

No one knows. We can all tell you what it means though.


I know what it means. I've just not been following it for the past few months because, honestly, to me it's just backtracking. "Well, we did vote for Article 50 to be triggered, but....well, we'll take our sweet time to trigger it."
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:20 am

Dionysian Lycanthrophy wrote:I'm bored. Where's Brexit?


Right so this is the current Brexit plan.

The prime minister wants to officially tell the EU we're leaving in March. This would put the final Brexit at about 2019 after about 2 years of negotiations.

This isn't going to happen.

The first rule of Brexit club is there is no plan. The second rule of Brexit club is that there is no plan. No, this is not a joke, we literally didn't make a plan. The government says they have a plan but need to keep it secret to avoid compromising their negotiating position. This has made a lot of people suspect that they haven't actually got a plan.

The real current status is caught up in the courts. The government want to be able to initiate the process without parliamentary approval. The counter argument to this is that we joined the EU through a vote for parliament and must therefore leave with a vote of parliament. The courts have thus far gone with the latter option. The government is now appealing to the UK supreme court to try and overturn that, which is where things get really freaky.

Scotland or Northern Ireland may be able to block Brexit because Brexit would violate the devolution settlement or the Good Friday Agreement, an international treaty. This is due to the human rights act being enshrined in both the Scotland Act and the Good Friday Agreement. The current plan for leaving is go through all EU legislation and choose to keep/repeal it slowly as time goes on, but a supreme court judge has hinted the UK may have to integrate all existing EU legislation into EU law before we leave due to how British law is at current. Either of these would pretty much tank Brexit for years to come if not literal decades.

There is also the issue of Article 50 itself. It gives a 2 year negotiating window after which we are out unless all members of the EU agree to extend the negotiation period. This is ridiculously bad because 2 years is no where near long enough to negotiate everything we need to. This would be true even if we has almost no trade negotiators and the combination of the scale of Brexit combined with nobody knowing what is going on has set the civil service on fire. Then there is the question of the reversibility of Article 50. One side is arguing it's reversible, the other isn't. This is an underpinning of the case that's going through the courts at the moment. In other words, we're almost definitely going to need a ruling from European courts on the issue since it's an issue of European law, so add a few more months to the Brexit timeline even in the best case.

And it just keeps going and going and going. The government would love to be able to just go "hoho, Brexit now!" but there's little if any chance British law allows for that. No one has any idea what Article 50 means for the UK or the EU, how to trigger it or whether it can be untriggered. It's a nightmare.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:43 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:I dunno have to feel about these figures:

CON 41%(+1), LAB 29%(-3), LDEM 7%(+1), UKIP 12%(-1).

VS

Opinium found May & Hammond with a 26 point lead over Corbyn & McDonnell on who they’d trust to run the economy (44% to 18%), ICM gives tham a 33 point lead on which team would be better able to run the economy (48% to 15%).


So...

The tory numbers make sense, but what the fuck?
Whereas the number of Tory voters pretty much lines up with the number of people who think they can run an economy, apparently, half of people who plan to vote for Labour think doing so will fuck the economy up. ...
Okay.

Am I missing something? Some wedge issue the tories are hemorrhaging apparent support over that Labour is actually worth something on?


Cos from what i've seen, Corbyns entire shtick is the economy and kind of vaguely nodding toward the kind of social issues that immediately piss everyone except Urban elites and progressive ideologues off.

Disarmament maybe? I honestly don't get it. On every issue I could conceivably see the Tories being wedged on, Labour are as bad if not worse.

I remember hearing on the radio from someone in Labour that even around the 1997 GE, the Tories were more trusted on the economy than Labour. Economic policy trust has always been on the Tories side, Labour gets its wins in other areas.
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