UK Politics Thread 18-inch Mark VI: Witty Title Forthcoming

[Ifreann]

http://www.ledburyreporter.co.uk/news/15067285.Judge_raises_concerns_that_criminal_law_is_being_used___39_to_stop_people_swearing_at_each_other__39_/

oh my god, it's amazing. it's like a crown jewel in the shit pie. sent to court for calling someone a pussy. fucking gold.

daily reminder that when i say half of what people post on the internet could be construed as a malicious or offensive communication that i am in no way being hyperbolic and the police can and will come for you if they can be arsed. enjoy your british bill of rights.

the downside is that i initially thought it was a text message but it turned out to be a voice message. people have been arrested over text messages and internet posts before but not for something as mundane as calling someone a pussy, that i know of. it's super disappointing because it makes me feel only 60% vindicated instead of 100% vindicated. i guess i'll just have to wait to see if there are police stupid enough to go for it since, well, technically they should, because it's a crime.

There aren't enough prisons in the world to arrest all the Britons who've called someone a pussy. But I'm sure the police will set about arresting everyone, nonetheless. I mean, surely they wouldn't selectively enforce the law.

[Souseiseki]

As you can see, I said I'd prefer Labour to win for I put my country before my party.

that doesn't sound very tory. are you sure you're in the right party?

[Hydesland]

Clinton was the worst possible option for President unless you are literally the type of person who thinks that a woman should be President because it's the current year, or you're a Clinton donor.

Person who accepts climate science, isn't an international embarrassment, doesn't want to roll back regulations on wall street, doesn't want to cripple environmental protections, doesn't want to de-legitimize the entirety of the media, isn't a threat to net neutrality etc... is worse than Trump, who is the opposite of all these? This barely scratches the surface as to why Trump was the worst possible option, and everyone here familiar with my posts knows I'm not exactly the most PC person, so you can't tell me I'm saying this because Clinton is a woman.

[Souseiseki]

As a Labour Party member, I think it might be time for Corbyn to go. It was important that he won the two races because he shifted the Overton window of the Party towards state intervention, but he's too kooky and pre-1991, with some weird history and personal opinions, to win an election, and he'd probably be an example of an over-promoted Prime Minister. But him resigning would put the Party in a terrible position of having to have a third leadership campaign in two years. He's clearly not going to win 2020 though, so I don't know what should be done.

is this your realization that everything is fucked and there's no way you can possibly fix it?

[CoraSpia]

Labour will not lose stoke.

It's pretty well established among most people following politics that Labour will lose that seat. Their candidate isn't helping them either.

Well I haven't met those guys while I've been out in stoke campaigning for ukip. We've no hope.

[Questers]

Clinton was the worst possible option for President unless you are literally the type of person who thinks that a woman should be President because it's the current year, or you're a Clinton donor.

Person who accepts climate science, isn't an international embarrassment, doesn't want to roll back regulations on wall street, doesn't want to cripple environmental protections, doesn't want to de-legitimize the entirety of the media, isn't a threat to net neutrality etc... is worse than Trump, who is the opposite of all these? This barely scratches the surface as to why Trump was the worst possible option, and everyone here familiar with my posts knows I'm not exactly the most PC person, so you can't tell me I'm saying this because Clinton is a woman.

The de-legitimisation of the media has been by far the most positive aspect of the Trump presidency, and perhaps is better than anything Obama did. The media, at least in the US and in the UK also, deserves totally be to be de-legitimised. "The media", with some exceptions, has long ceased to be reporters of the truth or people who discuss ideas and policies. They're propaganda arms of whatever ideology they support, or whoever happens to own them. In some sense this was always true, but in recent times it has become extremely true.

But ok, the rest isn't a response to what I said. Trump will be gone in four years but he'll radically shake up US politics on both sides, especially if he's a failure.

[Elmstead]

As you can see, I said I'd prefer Labour to win for I put my country before my party.

that doesn't sound very tory. are you sure you're in the right party?

https://youtu.be/uHIQAnUGhIQ?t=226

[Questers]

As a Labour Party member, I think it might be time for Corbyn to go. It was important that he won the two races because he shifted the Overton window of the Party towards state intervention, but he's too kooky and pre-1991, with some weird history and personal opinions, to win an election, and he'd probably be an example of an over-promoted Prime Minister. But him resigning would put the Party in a terrible position of having to have a third leadership campaign in two years. He's clearly not going to win 2020 though, so I don't know what should be done.

is this your realization that everything is fucked and there's no way you can possibly fix it?

Mmmm, no. Not yet. But I am in despair over the state of the left atm.

[Souseiseki]

Person who accepts climate science, isn't an international embarrassment, doesn't want to roll back regulations on wall street, doesn't want to cripple environmental protections, doesn't want to de-legitimize the entirety of the media, isn't a threat to net neutrality etc... is worse than Trump, who is the opposite of all these? This barely scratches the surface as to why Trump was the worst possible option, and everyone here familiar with my posts knows I'm not exactly the most PC person, so you can't tell me I'm saying this because Clinton is a woman.

The de-legitimisation of the media has been by far the most positive aspect of the Trump presidency, and perhaps is better than anything Obama did. The media, at least in the US and in the UK also, deserves totally be to be de-legitimised. "The media", with some exceptions, has long ceased to be reporters of the truth or people who discuss ideas and policies. They're propaganda arms of whatever ideology they support, or whoever happens to own them. In some sense this was always true, but in recent times it has become extremely true.

But ok, the rest isn't a response to what I said. Trump will be gone in four years but he'll radically shake up US politics on both sides, especially if he's a failure.

the problem with this is that media hasn't really been de-legitimized. people still lap up whatever shit the daily mail or the sun shit out. all that has happened is that it's become even harder to combat them because anything that goes against them can be written off as fake news.

that doesn't sound very tory. are you sure you're in the right party?

https://youtu.be/uHIQAnUGhIQ?t=226

hmm. yes. man who gambled the future of the country to save his own party. very good example. thank you.

[Hydesland]

But ok, the rest isn't a response to what I said. Trump will be gone in four years but he'll radically shake up US politics on both sides, especially if he's a failure.

No there's now a real danger he won't be gone in 4 years. Why? Because he's de-legitimizing the media, for all their faults they're the people that effectively hold the president accountable. If they become marginalized, it's replaced with sycophants and fringe lunatics like Alex Jones, which is fucking terrifying.

[Questers]

He's been in the white house for less than a month and he's already at breaking point. He's not going to take another term. Let's be honest.

And it's not the Huffpo and the Guardian who keep the President of the United States in check, or the rioters, or the celebrities. It's the judicial system, usually. If people want to fight Trump they should crowdshare money and buy the time of lots of skilled litigators to question the legality of everything he does, not kick about trashcans or walk around the streets naked or write trashy articles about how offended they are.

[Hydesland]

He's been in the white house for less than a month and he's already at breaking point. He's not going to take another term. Let's be honest.

The republicans are simply framing this as him fighting against the liberal establishment, and a lot of people love it. I honestly think that unless something terrible happens like another recession, there is a very real danger he will win a second time.

[Questers]

If the democrats want to win permanently, they have to control the Congress. Then put a white male military veteran into the Whitehouse, throw open the gates to Latin America and rapidly absorb a bunch of migrants, then pass loads of laws promoting their interests. The demographics of the US are enough that eight years of this would exterminate the GOP as we know it.

[Vassenor]

He's been in the white house for less than a month and he's already at breaking point. He's not going to take another term. Let's be honest.

The republicans are simply framing this as him fighting against the liberal establishment, and a lot of people love it. I honestly think that unless something terrible happens like another recession, there is a very real danger he will win a second time.

THE ONLY REASON THE POLLS AREN'T SHOWING WHAT WE WANT IS BECAUSE THE LIBERALS ARE SABOTAGING THEM etc.

[Ostroeuropa]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... in_london/

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

[Vassenor]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

You're assuming that the law will actually make any substantive changes.

[Ostroeuropa]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

You're assuming that the law will actually make any substantive changes.

Even the inclusion of mens advocate groups to the table is a great sign.

[Souseiseki]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... in_london/

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

ctrl + f for "men" and "man", zero results

[Philjia]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... in_london/

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

ctrl + f for "men" and "man", zero results

What about for woman and women?

[Ostroeuropa]

Theresa May personally leading the charge on a new domestic violence bill, and has included the chair of the Mankind group as a consultant.

So that's that then. All the warnings people gave me over the tories never going to fix this stuff turned out to be pretty much wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 86881.html


Meanwhile, what's labour up to?

Oh, nothing much, just causing another mess the tories will have to fix eventually by Duluth modeling their homelessness initiatives to primarily benefit women. (Despite most homelessness being from men.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/com ... in_london/

Meh. Definitely made the right decision to join the tories tbh.

ctrl + f for "men" and "man", zero results

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... 61569.html

http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-n ... iolence-2/

http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/nati ... _violence/

All mention the Mankind chairman, Brooks.
The independent and BBC fail to do so. Want to make a bet the Guardian would as well?

In fact, almost every article mentions him. I suspect the original journalist did their actual job and hunted down the people who led the organizations being consulted for the legislation, and got quotes from them.

Then the left leaning publications with a feminist bias up and decided to just remove the part about him when they copy/pasted their article and turned it in as "Journalism.". Can't prove it ofcourse.

[Souseiseki]

"Mark Brooks, chairman of the ManKind Initiative, a national charity supporting male victims of domestic abuse, welcomed the PM's move."

again, this doesn't sound like he's been explicitly invited somehow. can you find a concrete line supporting what you said? because i can't.

oh cool sarah fucking champion is a shadow minister, that's fucking amazing, that's just swell

[The Huskar Social Union]

Not paranoia if they are out to get you.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Mark Brooks, chairman of the ManKind Initiative, a national charity supporting male victims of domestic abuse, welcomed the PM's move."

again, this doesn't sound like he's been explicitly invited somehow. can you find a concrete line supporting what you said? because i can't.

oh cool sarah fucking champion is a shadow minister, that's fucking amazing, that's just swell

I don't see why he would be quoted otherwise.

[Souseiseki]

"Mark Brooks, chairman of the ManKind Initiative, a national charity supporting male victims of domestic abuse, welcomed the PM's move."

again, this doesn't sound like he's been explicitly invited somehow. can you find a concrete line supporting what you said? because i can't.

oh cool sarah fucking champion is a shadow minister, that's fucking amazing, that's just swell

I don't see why he would be quoted otherwise.

people and organizations get quoted in the news all the time, even when they're not official consultants, even when they're groups the government has zero intention of listening to. it's like thinking the government has made myles jackman their offical porn czar just because the media quotes his opinion on government policy sometimes.

[Questers]

tfw MRAs