UK Politics Thread 18-inch Mark VI: Witty Title Forthcoming

[Salandriagado]

As is obvious to anybody who read my post with the faintest degree of honesty, that's a response to the "way less damage to the criminal" part.

You made no distinction between the two parts.

As is my usual habit, I assumed that you could manage elementary reading comprehension. Now, are you going to answer my point?

Wrong on all points, actually. here is one that isn't paywalled.

An article that I was first to link in this discussion. The data clearly show that recidivism is mainly predicted by the attributes of the prisoner (Annex A) while interventions have little effect (Annex F).

Note the decidedly non-zero effect. And note also that prisoner attitudes can be, and are, changed.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

You made no distinction between the two parts.

As is my usual habit, I assumed that you could manage elementary reading comprehension. Now, are you going to answer my point?

That distinction isn't obvious at all - many people (including myself) would prefer to be beaten than lose 10-15 years of life to prison, regardless of how expensive the prison is.

An article that I was first to link in this discussion. The data clearly show that recidivism is mainly predicted by the attributes of the prisoner (Annex A) while interventions have little effect (Annex F).

Note the decidedly non-zero effect. And note also that prisoner attitudes can be, and are, changed.

Effect claimed to be non-zero, although in fact the recidivism rate of the prison with interventions at the end of the presented run was just the same as the recidivism rate of the prison without interventions at the beginning. Looks an awful lot like mean reversion with random churn. Even granting the reality of these effect, though, they're tiny. You might be able to reduce recidivism rates from 40% to 38%, at a cost of millions for a few hundred prisoners? So what?

[The Huskar Social Union]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38974716

Arlene Foster wants to do away with the Petition of Concern in Stormont.

Funny they didnt want to get rid of it when they used it to block same sex marriage after it got an assembly majority in 2015.

While I understand the concern (no pun intended) about the removal of the power, could it actually stand to benefit the process?

My understanding is that while the Unionist parties and members hold a majority as a whole, the divisions do prevent them simply shoving through legislation, and the article does point out its the DUP who uses the measure the most by far.

Naomi Long of the Alliance party has also requested reform for the petition of concern, and i can see where she comes from, considering something that was meant to protect minorities was used to restrict rights for a minority and how it has been abused like fuck by the DUP over the years.

But when the DUP calls for it to be removed, i dont trust them, at all.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hahaha, never mind the fact he regards gay people and people of west belfast like shit and his party cost you half a billion pounds, but hey you should vote for them! Alliance are baddins!

[Vassenor]

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Hahaha

That noise you just heard was my eyes nearly rolling straight out of my skull.

[Vassenor]

Woman died after three hospitals refused to admit her for surgery

woman died from a brain haemorrhage after at least three hospitals refused to admit her for surgery because they had no intensive care beds.

In a case that brings the deepening NHS bed crisis into sharp relief, a coroner said it was likely that Mary Muldowney, 57, would have survived if she had been given immediate surgery to stem the bleeding.

Muldowney was admitted to East Surrey hospital in Redhill on 20 July last year and immediately diagnosed with a suspected bleed on the brain.

When a CT scan carried out just over an hour later showed heavy bleeds, doctors requested an immediate transfer to a specialist neurosurgical unit for surgery.

So when is the government going to stop pretending that the NHS crisis isn't real?

[Salandriagado]

As is my usual habit, I assumed that you could manage elementary reading comprehension. Now, are you going to answer my point?

That distinction isn't obvious at all - many people (including myself) would prefer to be beaten than lose 10-15 years of life to prison, regardless of how expensive the prison is.

Note that non-shit prisons don't involve "losing years of your life". Sure, if you are particularly dangerous, you will need to be kept out of society for at least a while, but crime is fundamentally like a medical problem, and prisons should be the place that you go to for a cure. No different than, for example, drug rehab.

Note the decidedly non-zero effect. And note also that prisoner attitudes can be, and are, changed.

Effect claimed to be non-zero, although in fact the recidivism rate of the prison with interventions at the end of the presented run was just the same as the recidivism rate of the prison without interventions at the beginning. Looks an awful lot like mean reversion with random churn. Even granting the reality of these effect, though, they're tiny. You might be able to reduce recidivism rates from 40% to 38%, at a cost of millions for a few hundred prisoners? So what?

You are mis-stating both the costs and the scale. Reducing recidivism rates by 2% reduces the future prison population, and the effects keep compounding. In the long run, it would probably be a cost-saving measure.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

I think I found a Conservative faction I might support. One-Nationers.
Unless the article about the party was wrong.

[Philjia]

I think I found a Conservative faction I might support. One-Nationers.
Unless the article about the party was wrong.

They more or less died with Disraeli.

[Souseiseki]

I think I found a Conservative faction I might support. One-Nationers.
Unless the article about the party was wrong.

They more or less died with Disraeli.

yeah as far as i know "one nation" is just a meme now and not that different from the rest

never trust factions of the conservative party

[Lovesickcatboy]

They more or less died with Disraeli.

yeah as far as i know "one nation" is just a meme now and not that different from the rest

never trust factions of the conservative party

If you compare that article to conservative party policies in government, you may find yourself disappointed. If you aren't some kind of Thatcherite, you are to vote and not be heard in politics. Rather puts their pandering to Nationalists into perspective.

[Dumb Ideologies]

yeah as far as i know "one nation" is just a meme now and not that different from the rest

never trust factions of the conservative party

If you compare that article to conservative party policies in government, you may find yourself disappointed. If you aren't some kind of Thatcherite, you are to vote and not be heard in politics. Rather puts their pandering to Nationalists into perspective.

Party factions are always fun. I can say I'm Blue Labour without everyone thinking I'm a woman who died in childbirth. Great stuff.

[Souseiseki]

the main use of political party factions is "being on the socialist wing of the national party, for the workers you see" memes

[Dumb Ideologies]

the main use of political party factions is "being on the socialist wing of the national party, for the workers you see" memes

oh those silly memes with their irreverent dankness

[Vassenor]

Looks like we're probably not going to get our fishing grounds back after all.

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

I think I found a Conservative faction I might support. One-Nationers.
Unless the article about the party was wrong.

They more or less died with Disraeli.

:o
That's a shame. Who runs it now, assholes?

If you compare that article to conservative party policies in government, you may find yourself disappointed. If you aren't some kind of Thatcherite, you are to vote and not be heard in politics. Rather puts their pandering to Nationalists into perspective.

Party factions are always fun. I can say I'm Blue Labour without everyone thinking I'm a woman who died in childbirth. Great stuff.

...what the...

[Souseiseki]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/peter- ... gn-adverts

dodgy fuckers in possibly dodgy fuckers shocker

[The Huskar Social Union]

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/peter-geoghegan-adam-ramsay/you-aren-t-allowed-to-know-who-paid-for-key-leave-campaign-adverts

dodgy fuckers in possibly dodgy fuckers shocker

The DUP are involved? Im shocked so i is.

[Souseiseki]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02 ... ve-minutes

Yeah, I get the point. The talks collapsing would be bad. But wouldn't we at least be able to fall back onto the WTO?

Eventually, but not during Article 50. The WTO has things called schedules, which lay out your trading relationship with other countries. Britain's is currently under the EU umbrella and needs to be extracted. That's a really complex process, especially on something called 'tariff rate quotas'. If any country exporting to the UK and the EU feels it has been hard done by, it can trigger a trade dispute at the WTO. And that includes the EU itself. Britain needs to do lots of careful diplomatic work to get them to agree to our schedules before we rely on the WTO system, or else those opening days of border checks will also involve dozens of trade disputes. Most experts believe this will take at least two years and probably considerably longer. Put simply: there is no emergency exit from Article 50. We need these talks to work.

oh jeez that's not good

edit: article also contains a nice explanation of the "divorce bill" people are complaining about. turns out it's not a divorce bill at all and basically just us paying shit we already promised to pay. legitimately tempted to categorize it as the same level of bullshit that the "punishment budget" is in. it's strange how quite a large portion of brexit talking points are sensationalized misunderstandings or lies, isn't it?

edit 2: http://i.imgur.com/D3EaUyl.png

[Vassenor]

#SATIRE: 'Modern London' Monopoly only has dark blue properties

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

yeah as far as i know "one nation" is just a meme now and not that different from the rest

never trust factions of the conservative party

If you compare that article to conservative party policies in government, you may find yourself disappointed. If you aren't some kind of Thatcherite, you are to vote and not be heard in politics. Rather puts their pandering to Nationalists into perspective.

Neither May nor Cameron are Thatcherites. This is as stupid as saying that Blair was a Corbynista.

[Vassenor]

If you compare that article to conservative party policies in government, you may find yourself disappointed. If you aren't some kind of Thatcherite, you are to vote and not be heard in politics. Rather puts their pandering to Nationalists into perspective.

Neither May nor Cameron are Thatcherites. This is as stupid as saying that Blair was a Corbynista.

So what's all this about Brexit being a chance to finish what Thatcher started then?

[Questers]

Which faction of the Tory Party is the Guardians favourite new MP, Ken Clarke, in?

[Tananat]

Which faction of the Tory Party is the Guardians favourite new MP, Ken Clarke, in?

The retiring one.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Neither May nor Cameron are Thatcherites. This is as stupid as saying that Blair was a Corbynista.

So what's all this about Brexit being a chance to finish what Thatcher started then?

You might have noticed that both May and Cameron campaigned against Brexit. Why don't you try to answer your own questions for a change before barfing them on others?