Peaceful protester maimed, police grenade thrown into crowd

[Costa Fierro]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.



Of course.

Wrinkle: your apartment is on the 20th floor. Same answer?

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

[Galloism]

Wrinkle: your apartment is on the 20th floor. Same answer?

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

[The of Japan]

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

Water cannons aren't fatal

[Costa Fierro]

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

You didn't mention it was on the 20th floor, so we can make shit up as we go along.

[MERIZoC]

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

Water cannons aren't fatal

They can be.

[MERIZoC]

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

You didn't mention it was on the 20th floor, so we can make shit up as we go along.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.



Of course.

Wrinkle: your apartment is on the 20th floor. Same answer?

costa pls

[Galloism]

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

Water cannons aren't fatal

In freezing weather they certainly can be.

Do you know how much faster you radiate heat covered in water compared with air?

[The of Japan]

Water cannons aren't fatal

They can be.

If the rioter is an idiot and makes hims of die of hypothermia, then yes

[MERIZoC]

They can be.

If the rioter is an idiot and makes hims of die of hypothermia, then yes

Turns out hypothermia is induced by idiocy.

[Galloism]

"Falls on his ass in the dirt", implication being he fell 20 stories. Which is fatal, btw.

You didn't mention it was on the 20th floor, so we can make shit up as we go along.

Let's start with my original post:

Oh no, not water.

I guess you aren't aware of what spraying someone with water in freezing temperatures entails.

Hint: context is important

Let me ask you a question. Your friend is being a dick, drunk, and refusing to leave your apartment. There's an open window, and you shove him out a window so he lands on his ass in the dirt. Acceptable?

Spraying someone with a water cannon is 70 degree weather is not likely to cause any serious injury. In fact, in some circumstances, it can be quite hilarious. In 30 degree weather or 20 degree weather, it can be fatal.

Context is important.

[Corrian]

Even the damn medical personnel there said it was dangerous.

[Costa Fierro]

You didn't mention it was on the 20th floor, so we can make shit up as we go along.

Wrinkle: your apartment is on the 20th floor. Same answer?

costa pls

He didn't mention it until after I replied.

Spraying someone with a water cannon is 70 degree weather is not likely to cause any serious injury. In fact, in some circumstances, it can be quite hilarious. In 30 degree weather or 20 degree weather, it can be fatal.

Can be =/= is. Given that the protesters would have the supplies and the right kind of clothing for a drawn out occupation in the kind of weather you get at this time of year, using water cannons isn't as dangerous as you or anyone else says it is. It's only dangerous if you aren't prepared, which these protesters were.

Context is important.

Sure. Whatever you say, buddy.

[Imperializt Russia]

By not consulting the community and explicitly rushing the environmental approval.

If the nuclear industry did this, there would be uproar.
And I would support that uproar, as a person who wants to work in that industry.

The oil field is in ND how is it going to go elsewhere? This is the shortest route to Illinois

West Cumbria is home to Sellafield nuclear facility so it's clearly the best place for a deep waste depository, it's the shortest route!

There aren't other arguments or reasons to consider, not at all.

[MERIZoC]

costa pls

He didn't mention it until after I replied.

Wrinkle: your apartment is on the 20th floor. Same answer?

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

[Corrian]

What, so context suddenly isn't important? The heck?

[The of Japan]

If the rioter is an idiot and makes hims of die of hypothermia, then yes

Turns out hypothermia is induced by idiocy.

*CAN be =/= is

[Costa Fierro]

He didn't mention it until after I replied.

The apartment has a fire escape, so yes.

As I said, we can make shit up as we go along.

[MERIZoC]

As I said, we can make shit up as we go along.

Admit you fucked up costa

[Costa Fierro]

As I said, we can make shit up as we go along.

Admit you fucked up costa

I haven't fucked up at all. That was a pathetic attempt at a "gotcha" that failed miserably.

[Galloism]

costa pls

He didn't mention it until after I replied.

Yes - to demonstrate the importance of understanding context. You'll notice I failed to specify any floor.

Spraying someone with a water cannon is 70 degree weather is not likely to cause any serious injury. In fact, in some circumstances, it can be quite hilarious. In 30 degree weather or 20 degree weather, it can be fatal.

Can be =/= is. Given that the protesters would have the supplies and the right kind of clothing for a drawn out occupation in the kind of weather you get at this time of year, using water cannons isn't as dangerous as you or anyone else says it is. It's only dangerous if you aren't prepared, which these protesters were.

Fun fact: most cold weather gear, even if marked waterproof or water resistant will not resist pressurized water. Without rubber seals (something similar to a dry suit), it will get in and soak the inner heat trapping material, which will render it roughly useless.

Dual stacking waterproof outfits might be sufficient, but I question whether the police personally inspected each person to be sure they were wearing at least two water resistant coats.

Context is important.

Sure. Whatever you say, buddy.

Yep.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Water cannons aren't fatal

In freezing weather they certainly can be.

Do you know how much faster you radiate heat covered in water compared with air?

They can be. If the subject is not able to change those wet clothes in a short space of time, has no access to proper medical care and if the police refuse to provide assistance to any protester who agrees to comply with reasonable demands in exchange for medical attention then yes, the police were almost certainly risking lives.

However, unless the police were fully aware that the protesters would not be able to change clothes (despite having a camp set up), knew no medical attention was available on site (which there is) and refused to provide assistance to anybody sprayed with water (no mention of anybody approaching the police/emergency services for help), it's quite a stretch to compare this with kicking somebody out of a 20th storey apartment.

[Galloism]

In freezing weather they certainly can be.

Do you know how much faster you radiate heat covered in water compared with air?

They can be. If the subject is not able to change those wet clothes in a short space of time, has no access to proper medical care and if the police refuse to provide assistance to any protester who agrees to comply with reasonable demands in exchange for medical attention then yes, the police were almost certainly risking lives.

However, unless the police were fully aware that the protesters would not be able to change clothes (despite having a camp set up), knew no medical attention was available on site (which there is) and refused to provide assistance to anybody sprayed with water (no mention of anybody approaching the police/emergency services for help), it's quite a stretch to compare this with kicking somebody out of a 20th storey apartment.

Could have gone with 5th floor if it makes you happy. Fifth floor is only fatal sometimes.

[Costa Fierro]

Yes - to demonstrate the importance of understanding context. You'll notice I failed to specify any floor.

And you'll also noticed that I failed to specify the existence of a fire escape. So, again, we can make shit up as we go along.

Fun fact: most cold weather gear, even if marked waterproof or water resistant will not resist pressurized water. Without rubber seals (something similar to a dry suit), it will get in and soak the inner heat trapping material, which will render it roughly useless.

Well it's kinda irrelevant because they won't last the winter anyway. Given that the "water cannon" was spraying water over a wide area, which requires lower pressure than you were if you were targeting individuals, the spray would be less dense and thus the effects would be lessened.

Dual stacking waterproof outfits might be sufficient, but I question whether the police personally inspected each person to be sure they were wearing at least two water resistant coats.

More importantly: who gives a shit? They want to go and play stupid games with the police, they should expect to win stupid prizes.

[Jamzmania]

They can be. If the subject is not able to change those wet clothes in a short space of time, has no access to proper medical care and if the police refuse to provide assistance to any protester who agrees to comply with reasonable demands in exchange for medical attention then yes, the police were almost certainly risking lives.

However, unless the police were fully aware that the protesters would not be able to change clothes (despite having a camp set up), knew no medical attention was available on site (which there is) and refused to provide assistance to anybody sprayed with water (no mention of anybody approaching the police/emergency services for help), it's quite a stretch to compare this with kicking somebody out of a 20th storey apartment.

Could have gone with 5th floor if it makes you happy. Fifth floor is only fatal sometimes.

Maybe the analogy would be more accurate if you kicked the guy out the window knowing that there was a giant trampoline below?

[United Capitalist America]

The illuminati Jewish bankers are against the pipeline. They want to replace oil with primitive technology.