Peaceful protester maimed, police grenade thrown into crowd

[Thermodolia]

Now, If you'll look here people, you'll see an idiot protesting for a idiotic and futile reason. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't protest. And before you say it's her right, well sure it is but you don't have to employ your rights.

People can't accept change, and even though the pipeline will probably be safe, people's still have to complain about something, so they complain about this. The police should have full rights to use any force they deem necessary, ya know, apart from using tanks to stop flower shop robberies.

And yes, I am affected by the pipeline, and I still don't give a shit. It runs right next to my hometown of Boone, Iowa. So shush.

They aren't protesting anymore they are full on rioting

[ArchMandible]

You say sand-bagging, I say delaying what these people clearly saw as the inevitable. If you really think that Bakken was going to give 1/123rd of a wet crap about the SRS's situation, then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

First, Bakken Oil doesn't give two shits about the tribe. I have no qualms admitting that. What they do give two shits about, however, is following the regulations in place. Which they went above and beyond what is required of them in trying to consult with Standing Rock. Standing Rock chose to have no involvement in the pipeline.

Second, if you think for a second that native peoples are more noble and more connected to the land than anyone else, you are a naive child. They are just like everyone else, and have remarkably self-centerred reasons for doing what they do. Equally, the Tribal Council is steaming pile of corruption that would make Trump blush. The only reason that Standing Rock's leadership sand-bagged their consultation is because it was a political game to them, and they were attempting to flex their political muscles. And after two years of trying to play this game with Standing Rock, which happens all the damn time with the tribe on many other projects, Bakken called them on their bullshit.

I have seen first-hand how Standing Rock acts. Their leadership doesn't give two flying shits about the environment or about protecting sacred sites. Their entire modus operandi is obstruction for the sole sake of obstruction, because it is one of their means of showing their political power in the region.

Also, marvelous cultural sensitivity about 'supposed' sacred sites.

I say that because I have first-hand experience with attempting to work with their THPO reps, and I have had first-hand experience with them telling me that they are intentionally recording things they know are not real for the sole sake of obstruction. I have had other tribal representatives from other tribes express exasperation towards what the Sioux decide to call sacred.

Simply put, this is not sacred land to the Sioux. It is land taken from the Mandan in middle 1800's. Europeans were colonizing the god damn Americas for over 300 years by the time this area was Sioux Territory. If this is somehow sacred ancestral Sioux land, then Boston is ancestral European land by centuries.

And the reason why I don't completely dismiss them is because I was not involved with the archaeological work conducted for the pipeline. I know nothing about what was and wasn't recorded, nor on the landscape. I do know, however, the level of professionalism that is typical among other archaeologists in the state and I do know how the Sioux operate. And from the pictures I have seen of the supposed sites, I can certainly say that my skepticism is quite founded and people's willingness to believe the Sioux is just plain childish naivety towards them being somehow more noble that us. They aren't. They aren't necessarily worse, but they certainly aren't fucking better. They have their own goals, and those goals are not simply protecting the land or sacred sites. To believe that is just to be childishly naive.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

[Thermodolia]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

Huh I said pretty much the same thing a couple of days ago. There is no way a concussion grenade blew off most of her arm.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

Huh I said pretty much the same thing a couple of days ago. There is no way a concussion grenade blew off most of her arm.

And a flashbang would have a very hard time doing that much damage to someone's arm.

[ArchMandible]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

Hey now, improvised explosive devices are the hallmarck of peaceful protests.

[Zakuvia]

You say sand-bagging, I say delaying what these people clearly saw as the inevitable. If you really think that Bakken was going to give 1/123rd of a wet crap about the SRS's situation, then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

First, Bakken Oil doesn't give two shits about the tribe. I have no qualms admitting that. What they do give two shits about, however, is following the regulations in place. Which they went above and beyond what is required of them in trying to consult with Standing Rock. Standing Rock chose to have no involvement in the pipeline.

Second, if you think for a second that native peoples are more noble and more connected to the land than anyone else, you are a naive child. They are just like everyone else, and have remarkably self-centerred reasons for doing what they do. Equally, the Tribal Council is steaming pile of corruption that would make Trump blush. The only reason that Standing Rock's leadership sand-bagged their consultation is because it was a political game to them, and they were attempting to flex their political muscles. And after two years of trying to play this game with Standing Rock, which happens all the damn time with the tribe on many other projects, Bakken called them on their bullshit.

I have seen first-hand how Standing Rock acts. Their leadership doesn't give two flying shits about the environment or about protecting sacred sites. Their entire modus operandi is obstruction for the sole sake of obstruction, because it is one of their means of showing their political power in the region.

Also, marvelous cultural sensitivity about 'supposed' sacred sites.

I say that because I have first-hand experience with attempting to work with their THPO reps, and I have had first-hand experience with them telling me that they are intentionally recording things they know are not real for the sole sake of obstruction. I have had other tribal representatives from other tribes express exasperation towards what the Sioux decide to call sacred.

Simply put, this is not sacred land to the Sioux. It is land taken from the Mandan in middle 1800's. Europeans were colonizing the god damn Americas for over 300 years by the time this area was Sioux Territory. If this is somehow sacred ancestral Sioux land, then Boston is ancestral European land by centuries.

And the reason why I don't completely dismiss them is because I was not involved with the archaeological work conducted for the pipeline. I know nothing about what was and wasn't recorded, nor on the landscape. I do know, however, the level of professionalism that is typical among other archaeologists in the state and I do know how the Sioux operate. And from the pictures I have seen of the supposed sites, I can certainly say that my skepticism is quite founded and people's willingness to believe the Sioux is just plain childish naivety towards them being somehow more noble that us. They aren't. They aren't necessarily worse, but they certainly aren't fucking better. They have their own goals, and those goals are not simply protecting the land or sacred sites. To believe that is just to be childishly naive.

To which I'll properly lower my sabre. Yeah, I know, just someone posting on the internet, but I feel the sincerity. At least you can understand why people's knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things is to side with the Sioux, I hope.

I will take issue with the 'more noble' line. I don't think there's anything inherently noble or knavish, it just looks, on the outside anyway, like a native people getting a rough deal for the sake of one of the most prominent cultural and environmental bogeymen in the 21st century: an oil company.

Honestly, it's the kind of shit they made bad Chuck Norris films out of.

[Sareva]

Huh I said pretty much the same thing a couple of days ago. There is no way a concussion grenade blew off most of her arm.

And a flashbang would have a very hard time doing that much damage to someone's arm.

>Flashbang

Gosh, can people be any less intelligent? Why would they use an argument like this, and expect rational and moderately informed people to believe their idiocy? I haven't decided my stance on the Dakota pipeline project until now, but after seeing this, the protesters/rioters/Jill Stein have lost any support I could give. Thank Uncle Sam for the Green Party amirite.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

So, the Jewess made an IED, nearly blew her own arm off with it, and then had the gall to blame it on the cops. I wish I could say I was surprised.

[Zakuvia]

Huh I said pretty much the same thing a couple of days ago. There is no way a concussion grenade blew off most of her arm.

And a flashbang would have a very hard time doing that much damage to someone's arm.

Exactly how many flashbang devices have you experienced detonate next to you?

I'm keeping my cool on this, but a lot of people seem to be expressing a whole lot of certainty that comes from video games and little else

[Sareva]

And a flashbang would have a very hard time doing that much damage to someone's arm.

Exactly how many flashbang devices have you experienced detonate next to you?

I'm keeping my cool on this, but a lot of people seem to be expressing a whole lot of certainty that comes from video games and little else

Point taken on that, but honestly I would hope people, even moronic protesters like these, have at least some common sense and not pick up any type of grenade, even a stun grenade.

Edited because I can't seem to properly English at three in the morning.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

And a flashbang would have a very hard time doing that much damage to someone's arm.

Exactly how many flashbang devices have you experienced detonate next to you?

I'm keeping my cool on this, but a lot of people seem to be expressing a whole lot of certainty that comes from video games and little else

None, but the list you linked has all the injuries from direct contact or extremely close proximity to the flash bang. My reasoning behind my post is that the flash bang would cause burns and maybe some shrapnel, but would need direct contact to tear flesh. It just seems very unlikely that it would rip off someone's arm.

[Sareva]

Exactly how many flashbang devices have you experienced detonate next to you?

I'm keeping my cool on this, but a lot of people seem to be expressing a whole lot of certainty that comes from video games and little else

None, but the list you linked has all the injuries from direct contact or extremely close proximity to the flash bang. My reasoning behind my post is that the flash bang would cause burns and maybe some shrapnel, but would need direct contact to tear flesh. It just seems very unlikely that it would rip off someone's arm.

^ This.

[ArchMandible]

To which I'll properly lower my sabre. Yeah, I know, just someone posting on the internet, but I feel the sincerity. At least you can understand why people's knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of things is to side with the Sioux, I hope.

Certainly so, and I would very much like to point out that many of the Standing Rock people that are out there are out there with sincere reasons for doing so. My main issue arises largely with people believing wholesale what is coming out of the tribal council and Chairman Archambault. They are first and foremost politicians, and politicians who foment combative policies for the sake of obstruction. They tried to play the game they always play, and when they got caught out they convinced their own people that something was going on that simply isn't the case. I don't fault the Standing Rock members for believing the council, as these people have certainly had it particularly rough. And the tribal politicians have used their people's distrust of US government and dissatisfaction with reservation life for their own benefit. These people are the ones causing the real problems, because they whipped their tribe into a frenzy over something that they were in no small part at fault for, and they did this to save face.

When it comes to Standing Rock in particular, I have exceedingly conflicted views regardless of what my posts may indicate. While I can understand the frustration, distrust, and isolationism of the tribe, I also have seen full-well how the tribe actually operates its business. It equally becomes difficult to be entirely sympathetic towards the tribe when you know the full history of the region, and how the tribe acted towards the other tribes and treated the treaties it signed with said tribes. The Hunkpapa in particular were a particularly unpleasant group historically, committing violent acts against other tribes in the reason that people decry the US for. While this does not justify what happened later on, the fact remains that the land they reside on is built upon the graves of many other tribes, and those graves were created in no small part by the Sioux.

This isn't even getting into the discussion on minimizing risk of oil spillage, and minimizing potential adverse affects. Moving the pipeline upstream doesn't solve the issue of possibly contaminating the River in the Standing Rock Region (Given that the water flows to the Reservation). All it would do is affect 120,000 more people, as well as have an impact on the river in Standing Rock's area as well. That said, a water pipeline is being built to provide the reservation with fresh water in order to curtail any problems before they even become a problem.

It's a horridly complicated issue, to be frank, and it should not be simplified.

I will take issue with the 'more noble' line. I don't think there's anything inherently noble or knavish, it just looks, on the outside anyway, like a native people getting a rough deal for the sake of one of the most prominent cultural and environmental bogeymen in the 21st century: an oil company.

Honestly, it's the kind of shit they made bad Chuck Norris films out of.

Which is a naive viewpoint. Reality is complicated, and reducing it into "Big Oil vs. Natives" is just plain wrong. The fact is, the oil companies, and Bakken Oil specifically, work with the tribes all the time, and consult with them on a regular basis. And it is almost always the case that the Native consultation is heavily deferred to, with entire projects being re-routed and reworked to accommodate tribal concerns. This is normal, and I work with tribal representatives and cultural specialists including those from Standing Rock on a regular basis.

What happened with DAPL is that Standing Rock's tibal government was given over a year and a half to respond to requests for consultation. Rather than voice their concerns early on, they waited until the pipeline was almost entirely built to do so. At this point it was so incredibly cost prohibitive to reroute the pipeline that it borders on the impossible, given that the pipeline was almost entirely in place. And keep in mind, during all of this construction the tribe knew full well what Bakken's intention was for pipeline placement. They waited until it was completely impossible to move the pipeline to start creating publicity about it, when they had years to voice their concerns.

[Zakuvia]

Exactly how many flashbang devices have you experienced detonate next to you?

I'm keeping my cool on this, but a lot of people seem to be expressing a whole lot of certainty that comes from video games and little else

None, but the list you linked has all the injuries from direct contact or extremely close proximity to the flash bang. My reasoning behind my post is that the flash bang would cause burns and maybe some shrapnel, but would need direct contact to tear flesh. It just seems very unlikely that it would rip off someone's arm.

It didn't.

It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The language was a little flowery, and I added that third sentence so that people couldn't say I cherry picked, but the fact that she has broken bones and torn skin which, considering that it's likely the grenade detonated at or very close to impact with her arm, is likely. It's a fluke that the grenade detonated near her upper arm, but considering that the police probably threw it from a distance, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it had time to 'cook' in mid-flight. As for that link earlier, I'm going to have to ask for a more objective source. That place was Breitbart mixed with Soldier of Fortune, and about as credible as the advertisements in the back of either.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

None, but the list you linked has all the injuries from direct contact or extremely close proximity to the flash bang. My reasoning behind my post is that the flash bang would cause burns and maybe some shrapnel, but would need direct contact to tear flesh. It just seems very unlikely that it would rip off someone's arm.

It didn't.

It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The language was a little flowery, and I added that third sentence so that people couldn't say I cherry picked, but the fact that she has broken bones and torn skin which, considering that it's likely the grenade detonated at or very close to impact with her arm, is likely. It's a fluke that the grenade detonated near her upper arm, but considering that the police probably threw it from a distance, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it had time to 'cook' in mid-flight. As for that link earlier, I'm going to have to ask for a more objective source. That place was Breitbart mixed with Soldier of Fortune, and about as credible as the advertisements in the back of either.

I was under the impression that she lost her arm, thanks for clearing things up.

I still maintain my stance, I have a hard time believing that much damage.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

None, but the list you linked has all the injuries from direct contact or extremely close proximity to the flash bang. My reasoning behind my post is that the flash bang would cause burns and maybe some shrapnel, but would need direct contact to tear flesh. It just seems very unlikely that it would rip off someone's arm.

It didn't.

It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The language was a little flowery, and I added that third sentence so that people couldn't say I cherry picked, but the fact that she has broken bones and torn skin which, considering that it's likely the grenade detonated at or very close to impact with her arm, is likely. It's a fluke that the grenade detonated near her upper arm, but considering that the police probably threw it from a distance, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it had time to 'cook' in mid-flight. As for that link earlier, I'm going to have to ask for a more objective source. That place was Breitbart mixed with Soldier of Fortune, and about as credible as the advertisements in the back of either.

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

[ArchMandible]

It didn't.

It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The language was a little flowery, and I added that third sentence so that people couldn't say I cherry picked, but the fact that she has broken bones and torn skin which, considering that it's likely the grenade detonated at or very close to impact with her arm, is likely. It's a fluke that the grenade detonated near her upper arm, but considering that the police probably threw it from a distance, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it had time to 'cook' in mid-flight. As for that link earlier, I'm going to have to ask for a more objective source. That place was Breitbart mixed with Soldier of Fortune, and about as credible as the advertisements in the back of either.

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

You *may* want to put a warning up about that picture for pity's sake.

[Zakuvia]

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

I'm not at a place where it's safe for me to view what that might look like. Later, I might, but I'll just assume it's fairly nasty for now.

What happened with DAPL is that Standing Rock's tibal government was given over a year and a half to respond to requests for consultation. Rather than voice their concerns early on, they waited until the pipeline was almost entirely built to do so. At this point it was so incredibly cost prohibitive to reroute the pipeline that it borders on the impossible, given that the pipeline was almost entirely in place. And keep in mind, during all of this construction the tribe knew full well what Bakken's intention was for pipeline placement. They waited until it was completely impossible to move the pipeline to start creating publicity about it, when they had years to voice their concerns.

See, that sounds so insane that it's straining my credulity to its limit. Occam's razor is slicing me to bits on this one.

[The Confederacy of Nationalism]

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

You *may* want to put a warning up about that picture for pity's sake.

it blew everything except the bone away.
I believe I was sufficiently clear.

[ArchMandible]

See, that sounds so insane that it's straining my credulity to its limit. Occam's razor is slicing me to bits on this one.

It's actually true. Bakken Oil began attempting to consult with Standing Rock in December of 2014. They have records indicating numerous of attempts to contact Standing Rock, either through letter or by phone through out the latter part of 2014 and the entirety of 2015. They began construction in January, 2016 on several oil terminals. It wasn't until April that anybody even protested the pipeline at all, nor did the tribe raise their concerns throughout the entirety of 2015. By the point in time when protests began, major construction on the pipeline was already long under way, and nearly impossible to move.

It sounds insane, and it is. But it's also true. Standing Rock is not at all blameless for the situation. They didn't wait until the last minute to raise objections to the pipeline - they waited until after that last minute was long over, the pipeline was already being built, and they did so even though they knew full well it was coming for well over a year.

[Thermodolia]

It didn't.

It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The language was a little flowery, and I added that third sentence so that people couldn't say I cherry picked, but the fact that she has broken bones and torn skin which, considering that it's likely the grenade detonated at or very close to impact with her arm, is likely. It's a fluke that the grenade detonated near her upper arm, but considering that the police probably threw it from a distance, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that it had time to 'cook' in mid-flight. As for that link earlier, I'm going to have to ask for a more objective source. That place was Breitbart mixed with Soldier of Fortune, and about as credible as the advertisements in the back of either.

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

There is definitely no way that was a flashbang

[Sareva]

http://i.imgur.com/tXhXGzu.png
Destroying muscle tissue is a tad bit of an understatement, it blew everything except the bone away.

You *may* want to put a warning up about that picture for pity's sake.

I already saw it on Instagram. Geez, it's only a fleshwound! /slight sarcasm

[Risottia]

They should try open carrying during protests. That seems to be a good tactic to make them leave you be.

Edit: I think OC is legal in the state, if its not, I don't mean to unintentionally support law breaking.

Open-carry might make them leave you be (that's the "good option"), but on the other hand, the police actually have an excuse to shoot you or hit you with a grenade.

The Snax Rebellion proves otherwise. As long as you're white and openly armed, you can protest and occupy public property as much as you want: just avoid try to run over police officers with your car.

[Bakery Hill]

According to this site, she was injured by a IED and not anything that LE have access to.

Now the site may be a bit biased, but still

So, the Jewess made an IED, nearly blew her own arm off with it, and then had the gall to blame it on the cops. I wish I could say I was surprised.

The fuck does that have to with anything?