Peaceful protester maimed, police grenade thrown into crowd

[Imperializt Russia]

You are.

2013 Mayflower oil spill

>gets to pick oil spill disaster
>doesn't chose Deepwater Horizon

i am disappoint.

Deepwater Horizon was a rig fire that remained uncontrolled, we're talking about pipeline ruptures.

[Alvecia]

>gets to pick oil spill disaster
>doesn't chose Deepwater Horizon

i am disappoint.

Deepwater Horizon was a rig fire that remained uncontrolled, we're talking about pipeline ruptures.

Shhhhh

stupid relevance

[ArchMandible]

This kind of reminds of the people protesting the nuclear industry. The same dumbass doomsday predictions based on a few past accidents.

The issue here though is that, as he's saying, there was not adequate community approval or environmental checks. Regardless of whether it's likely for contamination to happen (it's likelier than many people think), you can't be suggesting we let corporations do what they want, without considering the needs/wants of local communities and environmental concerns?

Yes, yes there was.

Bakken Oil attempted to contact Standing Rock dozens of times. When meetings were actually set up tribal representatives never show up. During one instance, Standing Rock began the meeting an hour earlier than was the agreed upon time without telling the oil company representatives only to not even discuss the topic of the pipeline at all at the meeting that was designated to discuss the pipeline, and then adjourned the meeting when the Oil reps arrived at the time of they agreed to meet at.

They ignored over fifty attempts to contact them, either by phone call, letter, or other means. This, from my experience in dealing with the tribe, is *entirely* normal and done for no other reason than to disrupt the White Man's work. And I am quoting what I have been told to my face by actual Standing Rock representatives. I have been told by Standing Rock reps that their goal is to disrupt the work of White People. Not to protect the environment, not to protect sacred sites, but to disrupt non-native progress at every turn. That is from their mouths, told to my face. This is not an insinuation nor an assumption. That is exactly what a representative told me was their intention.

What you are seeing going on is that Bakken Oil and the Army Corp has called them on their epic bullshit that they pull constantly.

Further, the project went through every protocol in place for environmental and cultural studies, as required by law. The pipeline was no in any way, shape, or form "fast-tracked". It has been in the works for years, with preliminary work beginning in 2014, and initial attempts to contact Standing Rock in July of that year.

People need to realize that normally everybody bends over backwards for the Tribes in the regions when it comes to pipeline, well pads, construction, and the like. Tribal representatives are paid huge sums of money for consultation ($400-500/day is the average base rate, plus per diem and mileage), and oil companies are more than willing to work with them. What you are seeing going on with the DAPL is the culmination of two years of obstruction, childish and unprofessional behavior, and a complete unwillingness to operate in good faith by Standing Rock's officials. The bullshit over protecting water is just that - complete bullshit. It is a fabrication to cover their own asses because someone finally called them on their shenanigans.

[The of Japan]

The issue here though is that, as he's saying, there was not adequate community approval or environmental checks. Regardless of whether it's likely for contamination to happen (it's likelier than many people think), you can't be suggesting we let corporations do what they want, without considering the needs/wants of local communities and environmental concerns?

Yes, yes there was.

Bakken Oil attempted to contact Standing Rock dozens of times. When meetings were actually set up tribal representatives never show up. During one instance, Standing Rock began the meeting an hour earlier than was the agreed upon time without telling the oil company representatives only to not even discuss the topic of the pipeline at all at the meeting that was designated to discuss the pipeline, and then adjourned the meeting when the Oil reps arrived at the time of they agreed to meet at.

They ignored over fifty attempts to contact them, either by phone call, letter, or other means. This, from my experience in dealing with the tribe, is *entirely* normal and done for no other reason than to disrupt the White Man's work. And I am quoting what I have been told to my face by actual Standing Rock representatives. I have been told by Standing Rock reps that their goal is to disrupt the work of White People. Not to protect the environment, not to protect sacred sites, but to disrupt non-native progress at every turn. That is from their mouths, told to my face. This is not an insinuation nor an assumption. That is exactly what a representative told me was their intention.

What you are seeing going on is that Bakken Oil and the Army Corp has called them on their epic bullshit that they pull constantly.

Further, the project went through every protocol in place for environmental and cultural studies, as required by law. The pipeline was no in any way, shape, or form "fast-tracked". It has been in the works for years, with preliminary work beginning in 2014, and initial attempts to contact Standing Rock in July of that year.

People need to realize that normally everybody bends over backwards for the Tribes in the regions when it comes to pipeline, well pads, construction, and the like. Tribal representatives are paid huge sums of money for consultation ($400-500/day is the average base rate, plus per diem and mileage), and oil companies are more than willing to work with them. What you are seeing going on with the DAPL is the culmination of two years of obstruction, childish and unprofessional behavior, and a complete unwillingness to operate in good faith by Standing Rock's officials. The bullshit over protecting water is just that - complete bullshit. It is a fabrication to cover their own asses because someone finally called them on their shenanigans.

Yep

[USS Monitor]

probably the latter. My experience with protesters of that caliber is that of wanting to drink bleach for hearing so much smug self righteousness.

"i don't want a pipeline being built through my land" = smug self righteousness then is it

It's not going through their land, as has been said many times. Get your facts straight. I'd be more willing to support these protests if people on the protesters' side would be honest about what's going on.

[Thermodolia]

"i don't want a pipeline being built through my land" = smug self righteousness then is it

It's not going through their land, as has been said many times. Get your facts straight. I'd be more willing to support these protests if people on the protesters' side would be honest about what's going on.

So they are protesting for protests sake?

[ArchMandible]

It's not going through their land, as has been said many times. Get your facts straight. I'd be more willing to support these protests if people on the protesters' side would be honest about what's going on.

So they are protesting for protests sake?

Some are. Some have good, but misguided and misinformed reasons. Others are protesting because they see it as an opportunity to protest. The council, however, is just saving face. They screwed up, and know they screwed up, and have done a fantastic job at convincing people that this is about more than it is about. They don't give two flying shits about the water and environment, about supposed sacred sites, or about how things are affecting their community. They got themselves into this mess by sand-bagging Bakken Oil and acting like a group of children for two years. And when they got called out on it, they pushed the blame elsewhere.

[Thermodolia]

On the pipe leaking, I'd like to think that companies are smart enough to figure out that there is a leak the moment it happens, and able to fix leaks within a few days. Or at the very least, stop the flow of oil. Because oil leaks aren't good for people, or profits.

Or I'm giving businesses too much credit.

Depends on the company I'd say. Some of them are fucking cheep as hell, while others not so much.
Recently pipeline burst near Atlanta. It was a about two weeks before they got it fixed.

[Farnhamia]

Man, I love those protestors, protecting our freedom from cheaper fuel sources. You guys are doing God's work!

if there was oil under your house say, would you be alright with your house getting bulldozed to tap into it?

I just wonder why the police are using water cannons and concussion grenades. They usually don't start with this kind of stuff unless the protestors have done something pretty bad.

no actually it's because police are inherently violent scum

You're very fond of that word, "scum." I seriously suggest losing it and reviewing the rules, starting here.

[Thermodolia]

Her stupid ass probably tried to pick up the grenade, concussion grenades won't really do damage unless you do some dumb shit like that.

Concussion grenades are blast weapons. If it's close enough, it will definitely do that.

No it won't

[Thermodolia]

They have decided that it reasonably needs to go through this state.

By not consulting the community and explicitly rushing the environmental approval.

If the nuclear industry did this, there would be uproar.
And I would support that uproar, as a person who wants to work in that industry.

The oil field is in ND how is it going to go elsewhere? This is the shortest route to Illinois

[Zakuvia]

So they are protesting for protests sake?

Some are. Some have good, but misguided and misinformed reasons. Others are protesting because they see it as an opportunity to protest. The council, however, is just saving face. They screwed up, and know they screwed up, and have done a fantastic job at convincing people that this is about more than it is about. They don't give two flying shits about the water and environment, about supposed sacred sites, or about how things are affecting their community. They got themselves into this mess by sand-bagging Bakken Oil and acting like a group of children for two years. And when they got called out on it, they pushed the blame elsewhere.

You say sand-bagging, I say delaying what these people clearly saw as the inevitable. If you really think that Bakken was going to give 1/123rd of a wet crap about the SRS's situation, then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you.

Also, marvelous cultural sensitivity about 'supposed' sacred sites.

[Thermodolia]

That's not such a bad idea tbh. I remember after that gay night club got shot up, we had an influx on top of our already growing gay shooters section. The city of Chicago was also blown the fuck out for discriminating against minorities getting their gun permits. That was awesome too. It's interesting times we live in.

Indeed. So now that we've got a right wing incumbent, and minorities are arming themselves, how long til we see the Republicans and the NRA start to push gun control again?

The NRA can kiss me big gay gun owning ass. They don't ever stick up for the little guys only the big gun manufacturers. That's why I like Gun Owners of America, built by the little guys.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/standing-rock-dakota-access-pipeline-sophia-wilansky-injury

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... n=business

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.c ... ion-166551

http://www.tristateupdate.com/story/337 ... g-accounts

Sophia Wilansky from NYC was protesting against the North Dakota pipeline. The protestors have been facing escalating police violence, armed only with their dignity and the rightness of their cause. So far the police have used "non-lethal" weapons, with gratuitous excess. They have also ignored (or even exploited) the effects of cold weather. Rubber bullets are not so bouncy at sub-zero temperatures, and water cannons are an obvious health risk.

Sophia was carrying water to the front lines when a concussion grenade was thrown into the crowd. It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The police have blamed the injury on an exploding propane tank. There was no sign of burning. The surgeons picked grenade fragments out of the wound. There is no doubting the police lied in the first instance to avoid embarassment.

Sophia Wilansky is not the only protester to have been injured by police violence. She is only the worst incident so far in an escalating situation. I pray that this is the worst it gets.

The protest is entirely legal. The assemblage of police forces from other states has been justified by laws which are meant only for emergency situations. The police actions have not been aimed at keeping the peace, so much as to terrorize the protestors into submission.

Crimes have been commited by many people who's job is to uphold the law. The credibility of America's legal system rests on how this plays out.

If the Dakota pipeline is completed without proper oversight by the EPA, the USA is a failure.

If the militarised police action against peaceful protesters is not called off, the USA is a failure.

If Sophia Wilansky does not get justice for the unlawful violence that was inflicted upon her, and if those responsible for this travesty do not have to account for their actions in a court of law, the USA is a failure.

and the UK has killed the most people in the world so then by your standards they would be a failure, so would china, russia, france, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, and Germany would all be failures aswell. Quit over reacting

Also try being less biased, and stop assuming its all the cops fault without citing proof from both sides. Also NPR is your best source and the others are either incredibly biased or untrustworthy.

[The East Marches]

Indeed. So now that we've got a right wing incumbent, and minorities are arming themselves, how long til we see the Republicans and the NRA start to push gun control again?

The NRA can kiss me big gay gun owning ass. They don't ever stick up for the little guys only the big gun manufacturers. That's why I like Gun Owners of America, built by the little guys.

Donate to both. The NRA has something the GOA doesn't have. The ear of industry. I disagree with their blatant protectionism and support of import bans. They do on the otherhand, do good work introducing new shooters via their classes. GOA doesn't have near the same saturation in society.

[Thermodolia]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/standing-rock-dakota-access-pipeline-sophia-wilansky-injury

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... n=business

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.c ... ion-166551

http://www.tristateupdate.com/story/337 ... g-accounts

Sophia Wilansky from NYC was protesting against the North Dakota pipeline. The protestors have been facing escalating police violence, armed only with their dignity and the rightness of their cause. So far the police have used "non-lethal" weapons, with gratuitous excess. They have also ignored (or even exploited) the effects of cold weather. Rubber bullets are not so bouncy at sub-zero temperatures, and water cannons are an obvious health risk.

Sophia was carrying water to the front lines when a concussion grenade was thrown into the crowd. It exlpoded next to her destroying muscle tissue and shattering the bone in her upper arm. She was airlifted to hospital, and has had emergency surgery in the best effort to save what is left of her arm.

The police have blamed the injury on an exploding propane tank. There was no sign of burning. The surgeons picked grenade fragments out of the wound. There is no doubting the police lied in the first instance to avoid embarassment.

Sophia Wilansky is not the only protester to have been injured by police violence. She is only the worst incident so far in an escalating situation. I pray that this is the worst it gets.

The protest is entirely legal. The assemblage of police forces from other states has been justified by laws which are meant only for emergency situations. The police actions have not been aimed at keeping the peace, so much as to terrorize the protestors into submission.

Crimes have been commited by many people who's job is to uphold the law. The credibility of America's legal system rests on how this plays out.

If the Dakota pipeline is completed without proper oversight by the EPA, the USA is a failure.

If the militarised police action against peaceful protesters is not called off, the USA is a failure.

If Sophia Wilansky does not get justice for the unlawful violence that was inflicted upon her, and if those responsible for this travesty do not have to account for their actions in a court of law, the USA is a failure.

and the UK has killed the most people in the world so then by your standards they would be a failure, so would china, russia, france, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, and Germany would all be failures aswell. Quit over reacting

Interestingly I can't find anything that says investigators believe it was a grenade that blew up her arm and not a propane tank.

[Thermodolia]

The NRA can kiss me big gay gun owning ass. They don't ever stick up for the little guys only the big gun manufacturers. That's why I like Gun Owners of America, built by the little guys.

Donate to both. The NRA has something the GOA doesn't have. The ear of industry. I disagree with their blatant protectionism and support of import bans. They do on the otherhand, do good work introducing new shooters via their classes. GOA doesn't have near the same saturation in society.

The NRA has pissed me off one to many times. Besides I canceled my NRA membership back in march and pretty much told them to kiss my ass.

[The East Marches]

Donate to both. The NRA has something the GOA doesn't have. The ear of industry. I disagree with their blatant protectionism and support of import bans. They do on the otherhand, do good work introducing new shooters via their classes. GOA doesn't have near the same saturation in society.

The NRA has pissed me off one to many times. Besides I canceled my NRA membership back in march and pretty much told them to kiss my ass.

Thats your choice and your prerogative

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

and the UK has killed the most people in the world so then by your standards they would be a failure, so would china, russia, france, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, and Germany would all be failures aswell. Quit over reacting

Interestingly I can't find anything that says investigators believe it was a grenade that blew up her arm and not a propane tank.

I never said it was the grenade so stop putting words in my mouth all I said was your sources are untrustworthy and your

"If the Dakota pipeline is completed without proper oversight by the EPA, the USA is a failure.

If the militarised police action against peaceful protesters is not called off, the USA is a failure."

statement was an overeaction

[Thermodolia]

Interestingly I can't find anything that says investigators believe it was a grenade that blew up her arm and not a propane tank.

I never said it was the grenade so stop putting words in my mouth all I said was your sources are untrustworthy and your

"If the Dakota pipeline is completed without proper oversight by the EPA, the USA is a failure.

If the militarised police action against peaceful protesters is not called off, the USA is a failure."

statement was an overeaction

Check the poster name buddy.

I was just adding it as an interesting thing to your post, basically say that the OP is super biased.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

and the UK has killed the most people in the world so then by your standards they would be a failure, so would china, russia, france, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Italy, and Germany would all be failures aswell. Quit over reacting

Interestingly I can't find anything that says investigators believe it was a grenade that blew up her arm and not a propane tank.

also protesters were burnin' shit so here is that source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/us/dakota ... index.html

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

I never said it was the grenade so stop putting words in my mouth all I said was your sources are untrustworthy and your

"If the Dakota pipeline is completed without proper oversight by the EPA, the USA is a failure.

If the militarised police action against peaceful protesters is not called off, the USA is a failure."

statement was an overeaction

Check the poster name buddy.

I was just adding it as an interesting thing to your post, basically say that the OP is super biased.

Oh sorry,must misread I have just started reading about the topic and all i know was there ware confrontations between both groups, possible grenade blast and protesters burning shit so sorry about that.

[Thermodolia]

Interestingly I can't find anything that says investigators believe it was a grenade that blew up her arm and not a propane tank.

also protesters were burnin' shit so here is that source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/us/dakota ... index.html

Setting fires is oh so peaceful

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

also protesters were burnin' shit so here is that source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/us/dakota ... index.html

Setting fires is oh so peaceful

you should've heard about the 'Peaceful" Anti trump protests after he got elected

46 fires in oakland overnight

[New Axiom]

Now, If you'll look here people, you'll see an idiot protesting for a idiotic and futile reason. This, ladies and gentlemen, is why you don't protest. And before you say it's her right, well sure it is but you don't have to employ your rights.

People can't accept change, and even though the pipeline will probably be safe, people's still have to complain about something, so they complain about this. The police should have full rights to use any force they deem necessary, ya know, apart from using tanks to stop flower shop robberies.

And yes, I am affected by the pipeline, and I still don't give a shit. It runs right next to my hometown of Boone, Iowa. So shush.