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Postby Sungai Pusat » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:54 am

It is, I think, an inevitability for people to want to identify with somebody whose ideals are like theirs.

So essentially no, I don't think a no party system would be practical; perhaps it would be practical to encourage more parties to form, whether directly (Funding them or something) or indirectly (Making it easier for smaller parties to have their voices heard), at least if the idea is to spread the message from more unheard of voices.

Though on the note of government shutdowns, eh... the United States is a fairly anachronistic example because it's got a party that's been fucking anal about their president and a system that means, essentially, that Congress tends to be able to control a shitload of stuff for some reason and that party's been in control of half of it since 2012, so this is only going to end now (Maybe) because that same party has control of both houses and the executive branch.
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Postby Sungai Pusat » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:56 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So, anarchy?

Just the lack of organised groups of people sharing similar ideals.

That's all.
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:04 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:After you abolished parties people would just reform parties because cooperating with people of similar political views is a great way to get shit done in government.

"We aren't a party, we're just a group of people with similar ideals who have agreed to work together in order to increase our power and chance of success in government"

We could implant every person with a chip, which explodes killing both of them if they talk to people who share same view as them?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:05 am

Sungai Pusat wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:So, anarchy?

Just the lack of organised groups of people sharing similar ideals.

That's all.


Only problem, the ballates would be very very long. With candidates that are virtually the same taking up too many slots.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:06 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Alvecia wrote:"We aren't a party, we're just a group of people with similar ideals who have agreed to work together in order to increase our power and chance of success in government"

We could implant every person with a chip, which explodes killing both of them if they talk to people who share same view as them?

Well I mean, it'd certainly prevent parties from forming. AMongst other things....
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:06 am

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Postby CountryLandVilleTown » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:06 am

the romans tried this but it ended up with 2 "parties" in all but name, people will still clump together based on political beliefs
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:08 am

Alvecia wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:We could implant every person with a chip, which explodes killing both of them if they talk to people who share same view as them?

Well I mean, it'd certainly prevent parties from forming. AMongst other things....

Our main goal has been achieved, everything else is just a minor bug which can be fixed latter :p
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:09 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Well I mean, it'd certainly prevent parties from forming. AMongst other things....

Our main goal has been achieved, everything else is just a minor bug which can be fixed latter :p

Patching the patched patches.
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:14 am

Alvecia wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Our main goal has been achieved, everything else is just a minor bug which can be fixed latter :p

Patching the patched patches.

Pretty sure someone has it in their todo list; we're fine. Just try not to talk with anyone sharing the same views for now. *explodes*
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Postby Kitzerland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:15 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Patching the patched patches.

Pretty sure someone has it in their todo list; we're fine. Just try not to talk with anyone sharing the same views for now. *explodes*

Oh, c'mon! Did you really have to talk to him? Now we've got to clean this up. >:(
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:16 am

Kitzerland wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Pretty sure someone has it in their todo list; we're fine. Just try not to talk with anyone sharing the same views for now. *explodes*

Oh, c'mon! Did you really have to talk to him? Now we've got to clean this up. >:(

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Postby Federated Kingdom » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:26 am

you'd just end up having unofficial alignments even if you outlawed political parties
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Postby Pino Grand Fenwick » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:38 am

I will refer you to my own political idea: Egalitarian Democracy.

Direct and total Democracy, no parties, no factions, all the political spectrum works together, finds the silver line in their arguments and write the laws; the people vote on them and they are implemented.

This requires; high educational index, economic index, peace, strong and capable politicians who can be called upon in the darkest hour, and general consciousness.

Thanks to NS, this UTOPIA can become a reality. But IRL, the requirements are hard to meet.

So yes; no political parties. But in a utopic, capitalist, egalitarian society of the People.

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:40 am

Thenganytras wrote:This is what occurs in Kuwait's National Assembly. However, like someone said before, factions have developed, even if not official parties.

Ditto the Nebraskan State Senate. However, this is an isolated non-party micro-system in an otherwise bi-party mega-system.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:34 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Alvecia wrote:"We aren't a party, we're just a group of people with similar ideals who have agreed to work together in order to increase our power and chance of success in government"

We could implant every person with a chip, which explodes killing both of them if they talk to people who share same view as them?

We'll call it the anti-social network.

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Postby Luziyca » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:48 am

We kinda have this system in Northern Canada. Dunno if factions have developed, but this system can exist.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:53 am

From what I've read in this thread, several governments internationally seem to use a system in which political parties are dismantled.
However, virtually any system of election, and any form of governmental structure gravitates toward a two-party system. That's why in American history, we virtually always saw two factions pitted against each other. And when one dies, another takes its place.
It would be wonderful to get rid of the two-party system in the US, but factions would still be rampant and dominant groups would likely take hold and bring us exactly where we were before.
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Postby Victoria and Vacuna » Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:57 am

You'd need to prevent organized groups from endorsing or supporting candidates or organizing the selection of candidates for election. Ideally by outlawing it.
That is the essence of all political parties. They organize the discovery of candidates for election, as well as the policies they follow. Without this there would be groups of like-minded people in government, but they would have reduced support systems to organize around by legal fiat.
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Postby USS Monitor » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:00 am

How do you propose to prevent parties from forming? Even without the parties being formally recognized by the system, people could still organize them.

I would be fine with abolishing the privileges that major parties get (federal funding, automatic ballot access, state support for their primaries), but that wouldn't stop people from forming political parties.
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Postby Eol Sha » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:04 am

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Esastra wrote:A non-partisan system?

Correct.

Plenty of cities already have non-partisan elections and Nebraska's state legislature is nominally non-partisan. They still have political factions.
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Postby Victoria and Vacuna » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:05 am

USS Monitor wrote:How do you propose to prevent parties from forming? Even without the parties being formally recognized by the system, people could still organize them.

I would be fine with abolishing the privileges that major parties get (federal funding, automatic ballot access, state support for their primaries), but that wouldn't stop people from forming political parties.

Outlaw them from doing what parties do everywhere, obviously.
What they do is they seek out politically like-minded people and endorse and identify them as individuals willing to seek office, and support their efforts to gain said office.
Ban that group activity, and by the by go all parties in jurisdiction.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:08 am

Victoria and Vacuna wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:How do you propose to prevent parties from forming? Even without the parties being formally recognized by the system, people could still organize them.

I would be fine with abolishing the privileges that major parties get (federal funding, automatic ballot access, state support for their primaries), but that wouldn't stop people from forming political parties.

Outlaw them from doing what parties do everywhere, obviously.
What they do is they seek out politically like-minded people and endorse and identify them as individuals willing to seek office, and support their efforts to gain said office.
Ban that group activity, and by the by go all parties in jurisdiction.

You would thereby be attempting to abolish virtually every political group.
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Postby Victoria and Vacuna » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:10 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Victoria and Vacuna wrote:Outlaw them from doing what parties do everywhere, obviously.
What they do is they seek out politically like-minded people and endorse and identify them as individuals willing to seek office, and support their efforts to gain said office.
Ban that group activity, and by the by go all parties in jurisdiction.

You would thereby be attempting to abolish virtually every political group.

Yes, that would be an obvious consequence of outlawing the activities of political parties.
Any sort of social convention which would hinder the formation of parties inevitably decays. The only remaining option would be outlawing them all, and anything like them.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:11 am

Victoria and Vacuna wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:You would thereby be attempting to abolish virtually every political group.

Yes, that would be an obvious consequence of outlawing the activities of political parties.
Any sort of social convention which would hinder the formation of parties inevitably decays. The only remaining option would be outlawing them all, and anything like them.

You can't effectively outlaw political organization. You just can't. And factions would still develop, just without sponsoring individual candidates.
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