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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:29 am

In the United States and other democracies, to make their presidential, prime minister, premier, etc. elections easier and for the point of organization of values, they use political parties. This was intended for good purpose, and now it has just crashed several countries political systems. Take the US government. In the last two decades, there have been several government shutdowns, different branches of government refusing to work with each other unless a major attack happens, and just over all ignorance based on simple ideologies. So, what would happen if countries like the US, just didn't have political parties? Please do not confuse this with communism. What would a no party system look like?
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Postby Supreme Basement Dwellers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:30 am

Back to 1789 shall we?
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:31 am

Supreme Basement Dwellers wrote:Back to 1789 shall we?

Welp, the political system was moderately better so sure.
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Postby Gatito » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:31 am

Factions are inevitable in a Bourgeois system because individuals who are competing with each other will seek out like-minded people to help them outdo their opponents.

Also, Communism =/= one-party system. That's what you call State Capitalism.
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Postby Esastra » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:34 am

A non-partisan system?

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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:34 am

Oh, I thought this meant "no fun".
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:35 am

Esastra wrote:A non-partisan system?

Correct.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:35 am

The Holy Therns wrote:Oh, I thought this meant "no fun".

Heh, no. Unless you find watching governments slowly collapse themselves fun 9don't lie to me it kinda is e.e).
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Postby Esastra » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:36 am

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Esastra wrote:A non-partisan system?

Correct.

It's worked fine in Micronesia, I suppose.

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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:37 am

The United Providences of Perland wrote:In the United States and other democracies, to make their presidential, prime minister, premier, etc. elections easier and for the point of organization of values, they use political parties. This was intended for good purpose, and now it has just crashed several countries political systems. Take the US government. In the last two decades, there have been several government shutdowns, different branches of government refusing to work with each other unless a major attack happens, and just over all ignorance based on simple ideologies. So, what would happen if countries like the US, just didn't have political parties? Please do not confuse this with communism. What would a no party system look like?

My nation uses a non-partisan system - political parties are, in fact, banned. Instead, the government simply provides a certain amount of funds for anybody who wishes to run for office to use in their campaign, with more funds being provided for each round of voting (there are three) that the candidate passes. Those to be appointed to the Ministerial Offices (our 'cabinet'), meanwhile, are chosen by a vote of the elected representatives themselves.
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Postby Thenganytras » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:37 am

This is what occurs in Kuwait's National Assembly. However, like someone said before, factions have developed, even if not official parties.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:39 am

Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:In the United States and other democracies, to make their presidential, prime minister, premier, etc. elections easier and for the point of organization of values, they use political parties. This was intended for good purpose, and now it has just crashed several countries political systems. Take the US government. In the last two decades, there have been several government shutdowns, different branches of government refusing to work with each other unless a major attack happens, and just over all ignorance based on simple ideologies. So, what would happen if countries like the US, just didn't have political parties? Please do not confuse this with communism. What would a no party system look like?

My nation uses a non-partisan system - political parties are, in fact, banned. Instead, the government simply provides a certain amount of funds for anybody who wishes to run for office to use in their campaign, with more funds being provided for each round of voting (there are three) that the candidate passes. Those to be appointed to the Ministerial Offices (our 'cabinet'), meanwhile, are chosen by a vote of the elected representatives themselves.

Sounds great man.

Thenganytras wrote:This is what occurs in Kuwait's National Assembly. However, like someone said before, factions have developed, even if not official parties.

I suppose you're right, but it never hurts to be optimistic e.e
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Postby Esastra » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:40 am

Thenganytras wrote:This is what occurs in Kuwait's National Assembly. However, like someone said before, factions have developed, even if not official parties.

The development of factions in inevitable, really.

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Postby Supreme Basement Dwellers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:41 am

While we're at it, we should elect Chris Christie as Supreme Leader and select Steven Bannon as Chief Justice.
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Postby Communist Ylisse » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:41 am

As the anarchist said, factions of some sort are inevitable in capitalism (although a vanguard party does not somehow make a nation capitalist). Even the federalists admitted this.
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Postby Thenganytras » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:42 am

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Thenganytras wrote:This is what occurs in Kuwait's National Assembly. However, like someone said before, factions have developed, even if not official parties.

I suppose you're right, but it never hurts to be optimistic e.e

I wouldn't say that having factions is always necessarily a bad thing. Just so long as politicians can still vote with their (trying to find a word similar to conscience) without having some partisan bulldog breathing down their necks. If you've ever seen The Thick of It, you'll know what I mean.
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Postby Communist Ylisse » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:43 am

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Supreme Basement Dwellers wrote:Back to 1789 shall we?

Welp, the political system was moderately better so sure.

It really wasn't though. It was still essentially a two party system, except for the fact that in most cases nobody of the general populace could vote, and in some cases rich straight white men were allowed to. In what way are you referring to?
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Postby Gatito » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:44 am

Communist Ylisse wrote:As the anarchist said, factions of some sort are inevitable in capitalism (although a vanguard party does not somehow make a nation capitalist). Even the federalists admitted this.

In practice, vanguard parties that preserved the structure of the State also continued the commodification of labor and wage theft, which is a key indicator of Capitalism.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:44 am

Thenganytras wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:I suppose you're right, but it never hurts to be optimistic e.e

I wouldn't say that having factions is always necessarily a bad thing. Just so long as politicians can still vote with their (trying to find a word similar to conscience) without having some partisan bulldog breathing down their necks. If you've ever seen The Thick of It, you'll know what I mean.

True, but that is the problem I fear that even that wouldn't happen. Although, even with factions, they would be relatively small compared to what we have now, so maybe it would fix it?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:44 am

So, anarchy?

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:45 am

After you abolished parties people would just reform parties because cooperating with people of similar political views is a great way to get shit done in government.

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Postby Supreme Basement Dwellers » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:45 am

Communist Ylisse wrote:As the anarchist said, factions of some sort are inevitable in capitalism (although a vanguard party does not somehow make a nation capitalist). Even the federalists admitted this.

Communist regimes are known not to produce factions.

Right...
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:46 am

Ifreann wrote:After you abolished parties people would just reform parties because cooperating with people of similar political views is a great way to get shit done in government.

"We aren't a party, we're just a group of people with similar ideals who have agreed to work together in order to increase our power and chance of success in government"

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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:46 am

Supreme Basement Dwellers wrote:
Communist Ylisse wrote:As the anarchist said, factions of some sort are inevitable in capitalism (although a vanguard party does not somehow make a nation capitalist). Even the federalists admitted this.

Communist regimes are known not to produce factions.

Right...

But communism countries.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:51 am

Alvecia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:After you abolished parties people would just reform parties because cooperating with people of similar political views is a great way to get shit done in government.

"We aren't a party, we're just a group of people with similar ideals who have agreed to work together in order to increase our power and chance of success in government"

And then America became a paradise of sunshine, lollipops, rainbows, and everything that's wonderful.

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