French presidential primaries

[Baltenstein]

Also, any possibility Bayrou(otherwise known as the forgotten Europhile from 2007) joins a joint ticket with Macron?

He already announced that he won't run and placed his support behind Macron.

Something like 60% of Frenchmen support either Melenchon, LePen, or Macron in the first round.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, will make this the first election ever where neither the PS nor UMP/LR will be represented in the secound round.

Fillon is supposed to speak on TV tonight, we'll see what he says.

He refused to withdraw his candidacy and called all his supporters and aides who abandoned him "defeatists".
Apparently, monsieur Fillon is determined to see the clusterfuck through to the very end.

[Neu Leonstein]

Apparently, monsieur Fillon is determined to see the clusterfuck through to the very end.

Saw a little clip today of him as the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail. "Tis but a flesh wound"...

[Major-Tom]

Also, any possibility Bayrou(otherwise known as the forgotten Europhile from 2007) joins a joint ticket with Macron?

He already announced that he won't run and placed his support behind Macron.

Something like 60% of Frenchmen support either Melenchon, LePen, or Macron in the first round.

Which, if I'm not mistaken, will make this the first election ever where neither the PS nor UMP/LR will be represented in the secound round.

Fillon is supposed to speak on TV tonight, we'll see what he says.

He refused to withdraw his candidacy and called all his supporters and aides who abandoned him "defeatists".
Apparently, monsieur Fillon is determined to see the clusterfuck through to the very end.

Talk about a loss for the LR. A poll released a day or so ago shows Macron at 20%, Juppé at 24.5%, and LePen at 27%.

Fillon is at 17%.

[Aelex]

He refused to withdraw his candidacy and called all his supporters and aides who abandoned him "defeatists".
Apparently, monsieur Fillon is determined to see the clusterfuck through to the very end.

This type of behavior is called "Jusqu'au-boutisme in French and is really looked down upon.
He might have had a change in another election but he finished to ruin his chances with that.

Juppé is having a press conference tomorrow at 10:30, we can expect him to officially take over during it.

[Minoa]

Aww...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france ... KKBN16D0T1

Without Juppé even as an independent, it’s Macron vs. Le Pen. To Macron it is then, to fight growing racial hatred. Look Juppé, I appreciate respecting the LR primaries, but Fillon’s campaign is set to collapse anyway.

[Major-Tom]

Aww...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france ... KKBN16D0T1

Without Juppé even as an independent, it’s Macron vs. Le Pen. To Macron it is then, to fight growing racial hatred. Look Juppé, I appreciate respecting the LR primaries, but Fillon’s campaign is set to collapse anyway.

Macron vs LePen?

Hold on, gotta find which one is the lesser of two evils. Shame about Mr. Juppé, he was a good choice.

[Arkinesia]

I am not sure, but I agree it seems to be politically motivated at this point. They pretext is the government hates the FN most likely.

See, I don't know if Le Pen is akin to Bishop Tutu or Pablo Escobar in her office side, but it would be a kindergarden level mistake if they used their HQ for shady dealings.

But they've done that before. Have we already forgotten that a paper trail was unraveled by Der Spiegel a couple years ago that showed FN was taking money from Russian oligarchs?

This wasn't a “b-but the Russians hacked muh election!” stuff, this was no-bullshit, no doubt, FN was being funded by friends of Vladimir Putin.

[Minoa]

Aww...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france ... KKBN16D0T1

Without Juppé even as an independent, it’s Macron vs. Le Pen. To Macron it is then, to fight growing racial hatred. Look Juppé, I appreciate respecting the LR primaries, but Fillon’s campaign is set to collapse anyway.

Macron vs LePen?

Hold on, gotta find which one is the lesser of two evils. Shame about Mr. Juppé, he was a good choice.

Macron IMO. Le Pen would only worsen racial divisions. If everyone was aware about the risks of right-wing populism, some other candidates would have a good share.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So, what're the odds of Le Pen winning?

[Novus America]

See, I don't know if Le Pen is akin to Bishop Tutu or Pablo Escobar in her office side, but it would be a kindergarden level mistake if they used their HQ for shady dealings.

But they've done that before. Have we already forgotten that a paper trail was unraveled by Der Spiegel a couple years ago that showed FN was taking money from Russian oligarchs?

This wasn't a “b-but the Russians hacked muh election!” stuff, this was no-bullshit, no doubt, FN was being funded by friends of Vladimir Putin.

Taking money from Russians is not illegal though.
I do not like it. But it is legal.

[Aelex]

So, what're the odds of Le Pen winning?

Higher than they were before the scandale des emplois fictifs of Fillon's family.
If it ends up in a duel between her and Macron, I will 100% support her. I'd rather have a patriot réac' than a globalist """ progressive """.

[Major-Tom]

So, what're the odds of Le Pen winning?

1/3, I'd say.

[Aelex]

1/3, I'd say.

Closer to 2/5, even.

[Union of Despotistan]

So, what're the odds of Le Pen winning?

Higher than they were before the scandale des emplois fictifs of Fillon's family.
If it ends up in a duel between her and Macron, I will 100% support her. I'd rather have a patriot réac' than a globalist """ progressive """.

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

[Major-Tom]

Higher than they were before the scandale des emplois fictifs of Fillon's family.
If it ends up in a duel between her and Macron, I will 100% support her. I'd rather have a patriot réac' than a globalist """ progressive """.

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

My concern would be her protectionism and economic policies that would hinder growth in an already stagnant French economy.

[Union of Despotistan]

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

My concern would be her protectionism and economic policies that would hinder growth in an already stagnant French economy.

It'S lies that protectionism hurts the economy. There will be indeed a change since the ideologies are different, some kind of transition in which there might be uncertainty, but besides that it will only helps the poor and the ones without jobs.
This will reinvigorate the nation'S industries and french salaries will be given to french people. This on the long run will increase the purchasing power of the people.

And with your current growth you had since years now, I think a change will not be that bad to try when we see the current results of this "so glorious" globalism.

[Saint-Thor]

Higher than they were before the scandale des emplois fictifs of Fillon's family.
If it ends up in a duel between her and Macron, I will 100% support her. I'd rather have a patriot réac' than a globalist """ progressive """.

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

Well, she poses a threat to the globalists so of course she is presented as the ultimate boogeyman. I must admit I didn't know her until I read the 144 points of the FN platform and I don't see anything too worrying in there. People are so quick to imagine sieg heils and Brown shirts everywhere these days, especially here in Canada.

[Union of Despotistan]

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

Well, she poses a threat to the globalists so of course she is presented as the ultimate boogeyman. I must admit I didn't know her until I read the 144 points of the FN platform and I don't see anything too worrying in there. People are so quick to imagine sieg heils and Brown shirts everywhere these days, especially here in Canada.

That is unfortunately so true.
The left and their Liberal party goons are doing an incredibly fast job at destroying Canada. I'm sad each day I woke up to see Trudeau as my head of government.
I hope Max Bernier will win the conservative race to undo most of what the libs did. Tho unfucking the debt might be a very hard and long task.

FN's positions are watered down a lot from Jean-Marie Le Pen's FN. And that's the point "the medias" are working hard on to keep the pleb in ignorance. The current FN platform is actually pretty decent and tamed.
It is just not globalist. At all. Besides that they support social democracy, state services but to help the french people; not foreigners.

[Britanno 3]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39184387

Leaders of the French centre-right have unanimously backed embattled presidential candidate Francois Fillon after an emergency meeting.

[Baltenstein]

My concern would be her protectionism and economic policies that would hinder growth in an already stagnant French economy.

It'S lies that protectionism hurts the economy. There will be indeed a change since the ideologies are different, some kind of transition in which there might be uncertainty, but besides that it will only helps the poor and the ones without jobs.
This will reinvigorate the nation'S industries and french salaries will be given to french people. This on the long run will increase the purchasing power of the people.

And with your current growth you had since years now, I think a change will not be that bad to try when we see the current results of this "so glorious" globalism.

Right, because state-regulated national autarky has worked sooooo well in, in...uh...

[Philjia]

Higher than they were before the scandale des emplois fictifs of Fillon's family.
If it ends up in a duel between her and Macron, I will 100% support her. I'd rather have a patriot réac' than a globalist """ progressive """.

Exactement!

Le Pen might have some weird views here and there brought by the old FN, but it is still miles ahead of Macron's globalist policies.

At the very least, FN loves France and is proud of its past to the point they are willing to fight for a better France, unlike Macron who wants more of the same old failing policies his predecessors had.

The National Front may love France, but they hate the French.

[Major-Tom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39184387

Leaders of the French centre-right have unanimously backed embattled presidential candidate Francois Fillon after an emergency meeting.

Relevant

[Aelex]

The National Front may love France, but they hate the French.

At least they don't hate both unlike globalists.

[The Conez Imperium]

It'S lies that protectionism hurts the economy. There will be indeed a change since the ideologies are different, some kind of transition in which there might be uncertainty, but besides that it will only helps the poor and the ones without jobs.
This will reinvigorate the nation'S industries and french salaries will be given to french people. This on the long run will increase the purchasing power of the people.

And with your current growth you had since years now, I think a change will not be that bad to try when we see the current results of this "so glorious" globalism.

Right, because state-regulated national autarky has worked sooooo well in, in...uh...

Wait, do you really think FN's ambition to leave the European Union and recreate the Franc is going to help France's economy?

[Baltenstein]

Right, because state-regulated national autarky has worked sooooo well in, in...uh...

Wait, do you really think FN's ambition to leave the European Union and recreate the Franc is going to help France's economy?

Um, no? What gave you that idea?