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Who do you support in the French 2017 Presidential Elections?

Marine Le Pen
396
42%
Emmanuel Macron
290
31%
François Fillon
66
7%
Benoît Hamon
52
6%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon
105
11%
Other
35
4%
 
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Postby Olerand » Sun May 07, 2017 5:29 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Olerand wrote:Sure.


It works for Eastern Europe. But we're not in that situation, and frankly these ideas are infantile and very badly thought out. The Anglo "alt-right"/right and their desire to, I believe, deport all Muslims are as infantile and vapid as the Anglo left and their shrieks for multiculturalism. Hopefully, the European continent will find its own way, away from these two extremisms.



or you can do what youve been doing for the last 100 years and beg america to bail you out.

worked well last time.

We begged? Is that why you came 5 years after the war started? Clearly our begging didn't move many heart strings. Not to mention that once America was in France, it opted to completely sidestep liberating Paris in hopes of getting onto German soil before the Red Army had taken a chunk of the country, forcing the Free French to march in their Spanish Republican battalions alone to liberate Paris.

Let alone, by the way, that America didn't "want" to liberate France at all. It had just been pestered by the USSR to open another front, it needed a northern front against the Nazis, and like I said earlier, it had to get to Germany before the USSR steamrolled Berlin. The idea that America liberated France, especially out of the kindness of its heart, is badly written and badly researched historical fiction.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun May 07, 2017 5:30 pm

Congrats to Macron. Democracy lives to see another day.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun May 07, 2017 5:30 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
And that's different from the current crop of American Republicans, how?

I mean, if you're going to throw shit at Islam, you might as well do the same to every other conservative/traditionalist school of thought you dislike.


I do the same

the problem is Islamic extremism is a FAR more serious issue and is a GLOBAL PROBLEM.


Internal traditionalism is far more of a problem for you then.

Islamic extremism, statistically speaking, is the least of your worries.
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Postby Balican » Sun May 07, 2017 5:30 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Balican wrote:
Image

The whole wife should obey the husband is pretty common among many Christians

That is one of the flaws in that image, it doesn't get into specifics. I'm assuming it is referring to countries where women aren't allowed to leave the house without husband, can't divorce their husbands, can't choose their husbands, etc.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun May 07, 2017 5:30 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Which is why these "dirtbags" are en masse slaughtering French citizens by the dozens day by day, clearly.


They don't need to, they are already on the path for victory. They out breed the local population and then put themselves in their own communities and invite others to come in.

They don't need to spill a drop of blood(though the ridiculous amount of terrorist attacks beg to differ)


And being near your own ethnically and culturally similar neighbors makes you a dirtbag how exactly...? Because if that's the basis for being a dirtbag then we really need to diversify France. Fuckin' Frenchies being neighbors with each other, who do they think they are?!

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, they are certainly no classical liberals by any stretch of the imagination.

But they are not radically conservative like some.


You....understand that in the places where these people are running from it is acceptable to treat women like cattle right? You think they stopped believing that because their home got bombed?


Because the right-wing has a stellar track record of being kind to women anywhere. Just ask the Republican House in America that just passed that new healthcare bill making rape a preexisting condition!
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Postby New haven america » Sun May 07, 2017 5:30 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well we kinda just accept mass shootings


lol wtf? not the same at all.

there is a difference between understanding some bad people do bad things and inviting and normalizing religous terrorism on a regular basis and letting them develop entire communities of people whom support this shit.

I'd like to point out that most attacks that have happened in France were done by European born citizens.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:31 pm

Olerand wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:

or you can do what youve been doing for the last 100 years and beg america to bail you out.

worked well last time.

We begged? Is that why you came 5 yeas after the war started? Clearly our begging didn't move many heart strings. Not to mention that once America was in France, it opted to completely sidestep liberating Paris in hopes of getting onto German soil before the Red Army had taken a chunk of the country, forcing the Free French to march in their Spanish Republican battalions alone to liberate Paris.

Let alone, by the way, that America didn't "want" to liberate France at all. It had just been pestered by the USSR to open another front, it needed a northern front against the Nazis, and like I said earlier, it had to get to Germany before the USSR steamrolled Berlin. The idea that America liberated France, especially out of the kindness of its heart, is badly written and badly researched historical fiction.



>North Africa
>Sicily
>Italy
>the pacific

oh yea, 3 years of spilling blood with the Free french forces. never fucking happened.
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:32 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
I do the same

the problem is Islamic extremism is a FAR more serious issue and is a GLOBAL PROBLEM.


Internal traditionalism is far more of a problem for you then.

Islamic extremism, statistically speaking, is the least of your worries.


"internal traditionalism" whatever that means...

is that the ridiculous arguement of " your more likley to be killed by a radical christian in american than a jihadi"

Well that may be true....if were talking about JUST America. The world suffers from radical islam however as a whole.

Islamic extremism is a huge issue for many places in the world and it's becoming worse in Europe with the refugee crisis.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:32 pm

Astrolinium wrote:Congrats to Macron. Democracy lives to see another day.



because its only democracy when a liberal wins.

if not, blame the russians and fucking burn shit down.
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in this day and age it's both.
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Sun May 07, 2017 5:33 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Olerand wrote:We begged? Is that why you came 5 yeas after the war started? Clearly our begging didn't move many heart strings. Not to mention that once America was in France, it opted to completely sidestep liberating Paris in hopes of getting onto German soil before the Red Army had taken a chunk of the country, forcing the Free French to march in their Spanish Republican battalions alone to liberate Paris.

Let alone, by the way, that America didn't "want" to liberate France at all. It had just been pestered by the USSR to open another front, it needed a northern front against the Nazis, and like I said earlier, it had to get to Germany before the USSR steamrolled Berlin. The idea that America liberated France, especially out of the kindness of its heart, is badly written and badly researched historical fiction.



>North Africa
>Sicily
>Italy
>the pacific

oh yea, 3 years of spilling blood with the Free french forces. never fucking happened.

When did I say it didn't happen? No, you fought in the war, late as is your custom, but you fought. Did we beg you, did you listen? No.
Did you liberate us out of the kindness of your goody-two-shoes heart? Absolutely not, and I will not accept this corruption of historical records.
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
lol wtf? not the same at all.

there is a difference between understanding some bad people do bad things and inviting and normalizing religous terrorism on a regular basis and letting them develop entire communities of people whom support this shit.

I'd like to point out that most attacks that have happened in France were done by European born citizens.


and? radicalized by immigrant families most of the time.

it's still Islamic terror that is causing it and it is being imported by bringing in thousands of hardcore conservative Islamists.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:33 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:Congrats to Macron. Democracy lives to see another day.



because its only democracy when a liberal wins.

if not, blame the russians and fucking burn shit down.

Or on the opposite side call for a coup and purge the voters
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Postby Balican » Sun May 07, 2017 5:33 pm

Olerand wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:

or you can do what youve been doing for the last 100 years and beg america to bail you out.

worked well last time.

We begged? Is that why you came 5 years after the war started? Clearly our begging didn't move many heart strings. Not to mention that once America was in France, it opted to completely sidestep liberating Paris in hopes of getting onto German soil before the Red Army had taken a chunk of the country, forcing the Free French to march in their Spanish Republican battalions alone to liberate Paris.

Let alone, by the way, that America didn't "want" to liberate France at all. It had just been pestered by the USSR to open another front, it needed a northern front against the Nazis, and like I said earlier, it had to get to Germany before the USSR steamrolled Berlin. The idea that America liberated France, especially out of the kindness of its heart, is badly written and badly researched historical fiction.

We knew France could be saved, if we had spent more time in France, the Soviets would have killed more Germans that in our timeline were saved.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Internal traditionalism is far more of a problem for you then.

Islamic extremism, statistically speaking, is the least of your worries.


"internal traditionalism" whatever that means...

is that the ridiculous arguement of " your more likley to be killed by a radical christian in american than a jihadi"

Well that may be true....if were talking about JUST America. The world suffers from radical islam however as a whole.

Islamic extremism is a huge issue for many places in the world and it's becoming worse in Europe with the refugee crisis.


It's funny, when people like you play this card. I've met so many Muslim people who just work, love their families and follow the law in the countries they live in. I have yet to see these radicals that are such a constant problem in your world. :roll:
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Olerand wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:

>North Africa
>Sicily
>Italy
>the pacific

oh yea, 3 years of spilling blood with the Free french forces. never fucking happened.

When did I say it didn't happen? No, you fought in the war, late as is your custom, but you fought. Did we beg you, did you listen? No.
Did you liberate us out of the kindness of your goody-two-shoes heart? Absolutely not, and I will not accept this corruption of historical records.


Well paris did seem nice in the summer of 1944 to hold a nice little parade.

germans thought so too.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Kash Island wrote:
New haven america wrote:I'd like to point out that most attacks that have happened in France were done by European born citizens.


and? radicalized by immigrant families most of the time.

it's still Islamic terror that is causing it and it is being imported by bringing in thousands of hardcore conservative Islamists.

The vast majority of those who are being radicalized by the internet not immigrants
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
because its only democracy when a liberal wins.

if not, blame the russians and fucking burn shit down.

Or on the opposite side call for a coup and purge the voters


who said purge the voters?

if your referring to me saying maybe a coup would be a good idea I am definatley NOT the majority with that opinion.

"opposite side" my ass
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
because its only democracy when a liberal wins.

if not, blame the russians and fucking burn shit down.

Or on the opposite side call for a coup and purge the voters


Therm, its time you realize that both sides are shit.
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Postby Olerand » Sun May 07, 2017 5:35 pm

I'm not entirely sure why the settling of scores between the Anglo right and the Anglo left on multiculturalism and immigrants and Islam is occurring on this thread.
A lot of this seems to have... nothing to do with France, and quite a lot to do with other countries and other worldviews and what have you.
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Postby Torrocca » Sun May 07, 2017 5:35 pm

Kash Island wrote:
New haven america wrote:I'd like to point out that most attacks that have happened in France were done by European born citizens.


and? radicalized by immigrant families most of the time.

it's still Islamic terror that is causing it and it is being imported by bringing in thousands of hardcore conservative Islamists.


Proof that they were radicalized by immigrants and refugees?

Also, I'd like to see where these thousands upon thousands of hardcore Islamists are, because I've gone several, several years of living life normally, with several Muslim people in my area, and I've never seen this once.
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 07, 2017 5:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
"internal traditionalism" whatever that means...

is that the ridiculous arguement of " your more likley to be killed by a radical christian in american than a jihadi"

Well that may be true....if were talking about JUST America. The world suffers from radical islam however as a whole.

Islamic extremism is a huge issue for many places in the world and it's becoming worse in Europe with the refugee crisis.


It's funny, when people like you play this card. I've met so many Muslim people who just work, love their families and follow the law in the countries they live in. I have yet to see these radicals that are such a constant problem in your world. :roll:

I have a question:

WHY IS CHATON A CANDIDATE AFTER THE ELECTION?! :lol2:
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:36 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
It's funny, when people like you play this card. I've met so many Muslim people who just work, love their families and follow the law in the countries they live in. I have yet to see these radicals that are such a constant problem in your world. :roll:

I have a question:

WHY IS CHATON A CANDIDATE AFTER THE ELECTION?! :lol2:


Girl, he was a candidate before. He's Macron's second in command. The power behind the escargot!
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:36 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
"internal traditionalism" whatever that means...

is that the ridiculous arguement of " your more likley to be killed by a radical christian in american than a jihadi"

Well that may be true....if were talking about JUST America. The world suffers from radical islam however as a whole.

Islamic extremism is a huge issue for many places in the world and it's becoming worse in Europe with the refugee crisis.


It's funny, when people like you play this card. I've met so many Muslim people who just work, love their families and follow the law in the countries they live in. I have yet to see these radicals that are such a constant problem in your world. :roll:


Have you not seen any of the polls they take, like in the UK?

As a gay man it is terrifying.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/br ... ms-survey/
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:37 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Or on the opposite side call for a coup and purge the voters


who said purge the voters?

if your referring to me saying maybe a coup would be a good idea I am definatley NOT the majority with that opinion.

"opposite side" my ass

When one extreme loses they riot and burn shit, when the other extreme loses they want to overthrow the government and purge the citizens.

Also several posts in this very thread, some not to long ago where made about purging the voters
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Postby Luminesa » Sun May 07, 2017 5:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I have a question:

WHY IS CHATON A CANDIDATE AFTER THE ELECTION?! :lol2:


Girl, he was a candidate before. He's Macron's second in command. The power behind the escargot!

Wait...if Macron is escargot...

What if Chaton ate him?!

WHAT IF THE VICTORY IS ALL A COVER-UP FOR THE FACT THAT A FLUFFY KITTEN ATE THE WINNING CANDIDATE ON ACCIDENT?!


:lol2:
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