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Who do you support in the French 2017 Presidential Elections?

Marine Le Pen
396
42%
Emmanuel Macron
290
31%
François Fillon
66
7%
Benoît Hamon
52
6%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon
105
11%
Other
35
4%
 
Total votes : 944

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
And your suggestion is what? Build walls and xenophobia?


Do something. not just cower and post shit on facebook with a shitty overlay.


Do what, what the US is doing? No, thank you. You don't achieve anything by causing strife and dissent among your constituents based on their ethnicity and or religion. You do nothing by having bullshit dreams of a wall. You don't do a single thing by provoking xenophobia or closing borders.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because that's how you win elections, not by appealing to the voters but by purging those who don't vote for you!


Which is my plan to dump more migrants into the two regions le pen won is not purging, its just importing a voter base.

Two departments not regions I misspoke. Though both of those departments have a lot of problems.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 07, 2017 5:07 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Just wait till the next extreme muslim terrorist attacks in France.

Committed by a radicalized native born French citizen and not some filthy refugee like you're wishing for enough to click your heels three times?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:08 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Olerand wrote:Everyone running in this election, including Marine, said that terrorism is a phenomenon that France will have to live with. The Anglo-Saxon media only reported Macron's comment, but Valls had said it before after the November attacks, Hollande had said it, every candidate in this election has said so.

Because that is reality. No one promised to end all terrorism, because they know that they can't do that.


Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

Well we kinda just accept mass shootings
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun May 07, 2017 5:08 pm

Olerand wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Did Le Pen only win two regions?

Marine won no regions, only two départements. L'Aisne and Pas-de-Calais, both of which suffer from serious social issues.

Le Pen won Calais? Hehe I wonder why.
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

Well we kinda just accept mass shootings


lol wtf? not the same at all.

there is a difference between understanding some bad people do bad things and inviting and normalizing religous terrorism on a regular basis and letting them develop entire communities of people whom support this shit.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 07, 2017 5:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

Well we kinda just accept mass shootings

That's different silly, the right to muh preshus is enough we have to tolerate mass shootings.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Balican » Sun May 07, 2017 5:10 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Do something. not just cower and post shit on facebook with a shitty overlay.


Do what, what the US is doing? No, thank you. You don't achieve anything by causing strife and dissent among your constituents based on their ethnicity and or religion. You do nothing by having bullshit dreams of a wall. You don't do a single thing by provoking xenophobia or closing borders.

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Xenophobia not really, but that statement is entirely wrong.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well we kinda just accept mass shootings

That's different silly, the right to muh preshus is enough we have to tolerate mass shootings.


or we can invest more in mental health care.

But apparently thats too fucking hard.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun May 07, 2017 5:11 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Olerand wrote:Everyone running in this election, including Marine, said that terrorism is a phenomenon that France will have to live with. The Anglo-Saxon media only reported Macron's comment, but Valls had said it before after the November attacks, Hollande had said it, every candidate in this election has said so.

Because that is reality. No one promised to end all terrorism, because they know that they can't do that.


Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?


Nobody is accepting it. None of the candidates wanted to say "terrorism will be defeated," because they understand how unlikely that is. The French Government is working exceptionally hard to find radicalized people and interrogate them, and all candidates, even spineless Macron, at least wanted greater law and order and policing in high risk neighborhoods.

But the best solution, in my opinion, is to attack the root of the cause. Many of the radical Islamists in France were born in France. Their parents were born in France. They may not even speak their 'native' tongue. But because they live in shitty social housing in the banlieues, they are often turned to radical Islam. How do we solve this? I don't know entirely, but a start is trying to start a de-ghettoization project in some suburbs and encourage intercultural living.

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:12 pm

Balican wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Do what, what the US is doing? No, thank you. You don't achieve anything by causing strife and dissent among your constituents based on their ethnicity and or religion. You do nothing by having bullshit dreams of a wall. You don't do a single thing by provoking xenophobia or closing borders.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-99-per/
Xenophobia not really, but that statement is entirely wrong.


Not really. That's exactly what Trump wants. And those are the sentiments his shit goons are stirring among the populace. That France chose different is actually very commendable.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 07, 2017 5:12 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Gauthier wrote:That's different silly, the right to muh preshus is enough we have to tolerate mass shootings.


or we can invest more in mental health care.

But apparently thats too fucking hard.

Funny how the people who defend muh preshus are usually the same ones who clamp down on mental health spending.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun May 07, 2017 5:12 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well we kinda just accept mass shootings


lol wtf? not the same at all.

there is a difference between understanding some bad people do bad things and inviting and normalizing religous terrorism on a regular basis and letting them develop entire communities of people whom support this shit.


There are better ways to crack down on radicalism than doing exactly what radicals want you to do and paint this as an "us vs. them" type of conflict.
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Sun May 07, 2017 5:13 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Olerand wrote:No one said we have to accept it, and no one would, because we don't. But everyone said it is a phenomenon that we will have to survive because that is simply reality. We will have terrorist attacks, and we will foil many, but not all.


hard to predict when a truck driver misses his fatwa of the week, eh?

Sure.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Do something. not just cower and post shit on facebook with a shitty overlay.


Do what, what the US is doing? No, thank you. You don't achieve anything by causing strife and dissent among your constituents based on their ethnicity and or religion. You do nothing by having bullshit dreams of a wall. You don't do a single thing by provoking xenophobia or closing borders.

It works for Eastern Europe. But we're not in that situation, and frankly these ideas are infantile and very badly thought out. The Anglo "alt-right"/right and their desire to, I believe, deport all Muslims are as infantile and vapid as the Anglo left and their shrieks for multiculturalism. Hopefully, the European continent will find its own way, away from these two extremisms.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun May 07, 2017 5:13 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Just wait till the next extreme muslim terrorist attacks in France.

Committed by a radicalized native born French citizen and not some filthy refugee like you're wishing for enough to click your heels three times?


"Radicalized native born French citizen" Just wait till the next terrorist attacks on France, I think you will see in your French Polls a lot of French regret their vote today.
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Neo Balka
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:14 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
or we can invest more in mental health care.

But apparently thats too fucking hard.

Funny how the people who defend muh preshus are usually the same ones who clamp down on mental health spending.


ah yes, ban guns i mean, why cant we ban truc-oh wait that would be fucking retarded.
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:14 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
lol wtf? not the same at all.

there is a difference between understanding some bad people do bad things and inviting and normalizing religous terrorism on a regular basis and letting them develop entire communities of people whom support this shit.


There are better ways to crack down on radicalism than doing exactly what radicals want you to do and paint this as an "us vs. them" type of conflict.


Like?

I would say "assimilation" but for as many people are brought into france they sure don't seem to give a fuck about them being loyal.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 07, 2017 5:14 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Gauthier wrote:That's different silly, the right to muh preshus is enough we have to tolerate mass shootings.


or we can invest more in mental health care.

But apparently thats too fucking hard.

Good luck getting that though the current congress
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Postby Balican » Sun May 07, 2017 5:14 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Balican wrote:http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... on-99-per/
Xenophobia not really, but that statement is entirely wrong.


Not really. That's exactly what Trump wants. And those are the sentiments his shit goons are stirring among the populace. That France chose different is actually very commendable.

Choosing cultural suicide is commendable? If we have to be nice to them or they'll kill us, should we really be nice to them in the first place?
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Postby Neo Balka » Sun May 07, 2017 5:15 pm

Olerand wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
hard to predict when a truck driver misses his fatwa of the week, eh?

Sure.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Do what, what the US is doing? No, thank you. You don't achieve anything by causing strife and dissent among your constituents based on their ethnicity and or religion. You do nothing by having bullshit dreams of a wall. You don't do a single thing by provoking xenophobia or closing borders.

It works for Eastern Europe. But we're not in that situation, and frankly these ideas are infantile and very badly thought out. The Anglo "alt-right"/right and their desire to, I believe, deport all Muslims are as infantile and vapid as the Anglo left and their shrieks for multiculturalism. Hopefully, the European continent will find its own way, away from these two extremisms.



or you can do what youve been doing for the last 100 years and beg america to bail you out.

worked well last time.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:16 pm

Balican wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Not really. That's exactly what Trump wants. And those are the sentiments his shit goons are stirring among the populace. That France chose different is actually very commendable.

Choosing cultural suicide is commendable? If we have to be nice to them or they'll kill us, should we really be nice to them in the first place?


No one is choosing cultural suicide. But you can keep thinking about that, if you want. It's easier than seeing the complexity of the issue.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 07, 2017 5:17 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Funny how the people who defend muh preshus are usually the same ones who clamp down on mental health spending.


ah yes, ban guns i mean, why cant we ban truc-oh wait that would be fucking retarded.

Because extensive background checks mean banning and confiscating guns. And let me know when there's a truck attack in the States.
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Postby Kash Island » Sun May 07, 2017 5:18 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Balican wrote:Choosing cultural suicide is commendable? If we have to be nice to them or they'll kill us, should we really be nice to them in the first place?


No one is choosing cultural suicide. But you can keep thinking about that, if you want. It's easier than seeing the complexity of the issue.



Yes cause bringing in untold numbers of refugees who have little respect for the local culture and operate on a entirely different type of culture is totally going to do wonders for "French culture"
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sun May 07, 2017 5:19 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No one is choosing cultural suicide. But you can keep thinking about that, if you want. It's easier than seeing the complexity of the issue.



Yes cause bringing in untold numbers of refugees who have little respect for the local culture and operate on a entirely different type of culture is totally going to do wonders for "French culture"


Right. Cuz you know that all regugees come with the same mindframe and desire not to assimilate. Right.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun May 07, 2017 5:20 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
No one is choosing cultural suicide. But you can keep thinking about that, if you want. It's easier than seeing the complexity of the issue.



Yes cause bringing in untold numbers of refugees who have little respect for the local culture and operate on a entirely different type of culture is totally going to do wonders for "French culture"


I mean, it depends whether France prides itself on being multicultural like the United States or not.
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