French presidential primaries

[Thermodolia]

Did Le Pen only win two regions?

Yeah

Here's a link to the wiki page with a less detailed but cleaner map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_pr ... tion,_2017

Well she outperformed her father

[Montchevre]

Two things:
First, why does this thread still exist? It's been outdated for two weeks.
Second, I'm going to gloat a bit. Not only did I call this election in January, Macron, my favorite candidate, also won. Good job France! You don't know how lucky you are!

[Greater Miami Shores]

100% of the vote is now in, I think. And for what it's worth, Macron even outperformed the standard exit poll by like 0.3%. He underperformed a couple ones, but for the most part, it was all on par.

Here are the completed results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -maps.html

If Macron plans to continue the open border immigration policies, sad day for Europe, sad day for France. Marine Le Pen will have another chance.

[Oldenfranck]

Yeah

Here's a link to the wiki page with a less detailed but cleaner map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_pr ... tion,_2017

Well she outperformed her father

Multiple reasons for this, I'm sure you know, or if not, someone on here will probably give their opinion.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Two things:
First, why does this thread still exist? It's been outdated for two weeks.
Second, I'm going to gloat a bit. Not only did I call this election in January, Macron, my favorite candidate, also won. Good job France! You don't know how lucky you are!

Outdated for two weeks is a bit of a reach.

[Olerand]

It's not that serious.

You're delusional. It IS that serious or are you really honestly that delusional. We're screwed. We're going to become the next Sweden and Germany.

It's really not that serious. And if you really believe that, then dedicate your civic time and energy to making sure that the Republicans or FN get as many seats in the AN as possible.

You're delusional. It IS that serious or are you really honestly that delusional. We're screwed. We're going to become the next Sweden and Germany.

...

I honestly don't see how that's a bad thing.

That's pretty bad. I love France enough to not want it to be like Sweden.

Don't get your hopes up. They're down, but not out, and their grievances must be acknowledged and addressed (not necessarily gratified, though) if they are to be properly dealt with, or else they will merely surge back once again.

Not in France, Le Pen really came third. The total number of N/A voters was higher than her share. She completely failed to gain popular support.

Abstention is not counted in the results.

Ugh Christ. Now what will save us from the liberal gloating. This really was a no good outcome election. Marine wins and you have to listen to the Trumpistas gloat, Macron wins and you have to hear the liberals.

Makes you miss Fillon. No one liked him.

I'm quite ok with admitting that I'm happy with the outcome. You've got a pragmatist sort of guy with a strong policy team behind him, (1) elected with a solid majority and at least some sort of mandate to push forward reform. That at a time when the anti-reform left is badly fragmented, even the unions put more moderate people in charge and economic growth looks like it's going to improve across the eurozone in the appreciable future. (2) If you wanted France to move to a model where more people have access to its labour market, which I do, then this is as good a set of starting conditions as one could realistically hope for.

(3) We know roughly what he'll try to do... he put out the most detailed set of policy proposals of all the candidates. I don't think they're bad ones. The Sciences Po professor from that event I went to the other week said that when French people are asked about whether reforms were needed, a majority say yes. It's just when they're asked about reforms that might affect them in some way that they become sceptical. He thought this meant that you needed to spend time preparing and explaining any reform proposal and convince people of its merits. The labour reforms during Hollande's government were, again according to this guy, not done in this way. They were muddled up, rushed through and explained poorly.

So now it's time for Macron to show that he can do better. (4) He'll need a good choice for PM, someone with experience who can bring together and manage as broad a coalition of reform-minded people as possible. And he himself will have his work cut out for him taking the population along with these reforms. That's not easy, and it could go wrong. Which is why gloating really isn't an appropriate response. Now the important stuff starts... all of this the last few months was just an intro.

You're delusional. It IS that serious or are you really honestly that delusional. We're screwed. We're going to become the next Sweden and Germany.

Haha, being like Sweden or Germany is now a doomsday scenario?

1- Only the legislative elections can determine that. Macron was elected because he is not Marine, and he knows as much.

2- As do I. But there are many ways of achieving this. We can rely more on the social actors (unions, employers' unions) and apprenticeships and trade and what have you like Germany does, and I am fine with that. Or we can liberalize the labour code and throw people into individualistic pricarity, like in the UK and US, which I am not fine with. Macron claims he wants to be more like Germany, but I will judge that myself when he puts his policies in action.

3- All of this is true.

4- His potential PMs are said to be Bayrou, his centrist ally; Borloo, the former leader of the Radical Party and also a centrist; and Anne-Marie Idrac, a former centrist minister who very successfully ran the SNCF (France's national railways company) and RATP (the State owned Paris public transportation company).

Looks like the French people got Hollande 2.0

We got a more liberal Hollande.

Not exactly happy to see a Chicago boy at the Elysée...

But knowing how the various FN supporters like, dunno, Trump, May, Wilders, Salvini, Grillo, Orban etc must feel is priceless.

He's not exactly a Chicago boy. But he's as close to one as a mainstream French politician has ever been, especially one who is now president. Fortunately, France is not a "Chicago"-style nation, and if Macron thinks we are, he is going to be sorely mistaken.

I don't know why anyone is surprised, she was behind 20% in the polls. The only reason she made it this far is because there were so many candidates that the vote was split, and her base was enough to carry her to the run-offs, but no further.

This is why I support run off elections.

Edit: The polls were still wrong, she got even less votes then they thought she would.

It was within the final polls' margin of error.

[Olerand]

100% of the vote is now in, I think. And for what it's worth, Macron even outperformed the standard exit poll by like 0.3%. He underperformed a couple ones, but for the most part, it was all on par.

Here are the completed results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -maps.html

Did Le Pen only win two regions?

Marine won no regions, only two départements. L'Aisne and Pas-de-Calais, both of which suffer from serious social issues.

[Saiwania]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

[Neo Balka]

100% of the vote is now in, I think. And for what it's worth, Macron even outperformed the standard exit poll by like 0.3%. He underperformed a couple ones, but for the most part, it was all on par.

Here are the completed results: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -maps.html

Did Le Pen only win two regions?

I have an idea.

Fill those two regions up with Migrants.

That way the right will never win!

yay!

[Olerand]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

Thank you for the concern, but worry about you, we'll worry about us.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Just wait till the next extreme muslim terrorist attacks in France.

[Thermodolia]

Did Le Pen only win two regions?

Marine won no regions, only two départements. L'Aisne and Pas-de-Calais, both of which suffer from serious social issues.

Ya figured that out, but I was to lazy to edit it. C'est la vie

[Neo Balka]

Just wait till the next extreme muslim terrorist attacks in France.

Its clear that Europe would rather just sit and do nothing.

Might as well let them hang themselves with the imported rope, so to speak.

[Ardrentt]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

.....why do you sound like a cartoon villain with that last line? :T

More seriously, the issues that people generally brought up in this election are that not enough people voted, so... holy hell.

[Kash Island]

Just wait till the next extreme muslim terrorist attacks in France.

Its clear that Europe would rather just sit and do nothing.

Might as well let them hang themselves with the imported rope, so to speak.

well Macron did say it's normal

[Thermodolia]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

Because that's how you win elections, not by appealing to the voters but by purging those who don't vote for you!

[Neo Balka]

Its clear that Europe would rather just sit and do nothing.

Might as well let them hang themselves with the imported rope, so to speak.

well Macron did say it's normal

Tolerance!

Even when your countrymen are shot, stabbed, blown up or run the fuck over by a fucking truck.

Fucking Europeans.

[Olerand]

Its clear that Europe would rather just sit and do nothing.

Might as well let them hang themselves with the imported rope, so to speak.

well Macron did say it's normal

Everyone running in this election, including Marine, said that terrorism is a phenomenon that France will have to live with. The Anglo-Saxon media only reported Macron's comment, but Valls had said it before after the November attacks, Hollande had said it, every candidate in this election has said so.

Because that is reality. No one promised to end all terrorism, because they know that they can't do that.

[Neo Balka]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

Because that's how you win elections, not by appealing to the voters but by purging those who don't vote for you!

Which is my plan to dump more migrants into the two regions le pen won is not purging, its just importing a voter base.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

well Macron did say it's normal

Tolerance!

Even when your countrymen are shot, stabbed, blown up or run the fuck over by a fucking truck.

Fucking Europeans.

And your suggestion is what? Build walls and xenophobia?

[Neo Balka]

well Macron did say it's normal

Everyone running in this election, including Marine, said that terrorism is a phenomenon that France will have to live with. The Anglo-Saxon media only reported Macron's comment, but Valls had said it before after the November attacks, Hollande had said it, every candidate in this election has said so.

Because that is reality. No one promised to end all terrorism, because they know that they can't do that.

Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

[Neo Balka]

Tolerance!

Even when your countrymen are shot, stabbed, blown up or run the fuck over by a fucking truck.

Fucking Europeans.

And your suggestion is what? Build walls and xenophobia?

Do something. not just cower and post shit on facebook with a shitty overlay.

[Olerand]

Everyone running in this election, including Marine, said that terrorism is a phenomenon that France will have to live with. The Anglo-Saxon media only reported Macron's comment, but Valls had said it before after the November attacks, Hollande had said it, every candidate in this election has said so.

Because that is reality. No one promised to end all terrorism, because they know that they can't do that.

Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

No one said we have to accept it, and no one would, because we don't. But everyone said it is a phenomenon that we will have to survive because that is simply reality. We will have terrorist attacks, and we will foil many, but not all.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Roughly 10 million more people voted for Macron. The job of the FN now is to really examine where these 10 million people come from and if any portion of that can be removed from voter registration. Find ways to keep them from the polls and blunt their influence. We'll get you next time France, next time!

Because that's how you win elections, not by appealing to the voters but by purging those who don't vote for you!

I have too agree with you on this one, Thermodolia.

[Neo Balka]

Why must you live with it? why do you have to accept it?

No one said we have to accept it, and no one would, because we don't. But everyone said it is a phenomenon that we will have to survive because that is simply reality. We will have terrorist attacks, and we will foil many, but not all.

hard to predict when a truck driver misses his fatwa of the week, eh?