French presidential primaries

[Soldati Senza Confini]

El Salvador. I am also Mexican from my mom's side, but if you know about the Cartels that's not any better than the other one.

Yeah those cartels of fucking monsters. I imagine it's like Mexico were they practically rule areas?

Well, not really. They're not that sophisticated, but they have become influential enough (and not in a good way) to where politicians try to figure out how to keep them in check. As well as becoming an organized crime force internationally from El Salvador.

The national police force, however, is not amused that they have to deal with them on the ground.

Anyways, we digress.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah those cartels of fucking monsters. I imagine it's like Mexico were they practically rule areas?

Well, not really. They're not that sophisticated, but they have become influential enough (and not in a good way) to where politicians try to figure out how to keep them in check. As well as becoming an organized crime force internationally from El Salvador.

The national police force, however, is not amused that they have to deal with them on the ground.

Anyways, we digress.

Point is Germany is not that

[Chessmistress]

I support Macron because, perhaps to the jeers of others, I do have some actual confidence that he can begin to mend society's divisions and, more importantly, put France on track towards a brighter future.

Then I foresee you're going to be bitter in about two years.
All the wildly unpopular economic policies that sinked Hollande and Valls had been actually designed by Macron.
I fully understand a person who voted macron because s/he thought (with many good reasons) that Le Pen would have been worse than him, but I cannot understand a person thinking that Macron is going to do good things.

Then there's another thing, check the map
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... .html?_r=0
The map, check it, it's terrifying: even in the regions where Macron dominates there are yellow points: those yellow points are where the industries are...
Le Pen won in France's Rust Belt.

Have you heard their languages?

Especially Sweden's. The worst I say, the worst!

Swedish is actually smoother than both German and Danish.
There's an island belonging to Denmark, Bornholm, that have a dialect that is heavily influenced by Swedish: they're sometimes mocked by other Danish due their smoother language.

[The Conez Imperium]

I support Macron because, perhaps to the jeers of others, I do have some actual confidence that he can begin to mend society's divisions and, more importantly, put France on track towards a brighter future.

Then I foresee you're going to be bitter in about two years.
All the wildly unpopular economic policies that sinked Hollande and Valls had been actually designed by Macron.
I fully understand a person who voted macron because s/he thought (with many good reasons) that Le Pen would have been worse than him, but I cannot understand a person thinking that Macron is going to do good things.

And what makes you say that? If any of the other presidential candidates were elected from the 1st tour everyone would still be saying "they'll never fix France". Why is there such a defeatist attitude in regards to this recent election?

And if not Marcon, then who else would have the best chance? De Gaulle?

[Vistora]

I support Macron because, perhaps to the jeers of others, I do have some actual confidence that he can begin to mend society's divisions and, more importantly, put France on track towards a brighter future.

Then I foresee you're going to be bitter in about two years.
All the wildly unpopular economic policies that sinked Hollande and Valls had been actually designed by Macron.
I fully understand a person who voted macron because s/he thought (with many good reasons) that Le Pen would have been worse than him, but I cannot understand a person thinking that Macron is going to do good things.

You mistake the position from which I approach this. From my viewpoint, Hollande's attempted reforms were lamentable because, even if they had accomplished more than a tiny fraction of their stated aims, they wouldn't have been enough. My major concern is that Macron will be hobbled in his liberalisation efforts as well, although I still believe he has a much better chance than most.

Then there's another thing, check the map
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... .html?_r=0
The map, check it, it's terrifying: even in the regions where Macron dominates there are yellow points: those yellow points are where the industries are...
Le Pen won in France's Rust Belt.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Disgruntled blue-collar workers suffering from deindustrialization are the beating hearts and souls of national populist movements across the West.

[Chessmistress]

Then I foresee you're going to be bitter in about two years.
All the wildly unpopular economic policies that sinked Hollande and Valls had been actually designed by Macron.
I fully understand a person who voted macron because s/he thought (with many good reasons) that Le Pen would have been worse than him, but I cannot understand a person thinking that Macron is going to do good things.

You mistake the position from which I approach this. From my viewpoint, Hollande's attempted reforms were lamentable because, even if they had accomplished more than a tiny fraction of their stated aims, they wouldn't have been enough. My major concern is that Macron will be hobbled in his liberalisation efforts as well, although I still believe he has a much better chance than most.

Oh, I understand that you're one of those who think that France can compete with China by lowering wages near the Chinese level.
I just do not see how, even having more jobs, having wages near the Chinese level is going to make things better on the whole.
Not mentioning that with the robots things will get even worse.

The reforms that EU have in mind is: Greece.
They applied it in Greece before the others just only because they had the chance.
The measures that have been applied to Greece in the last 5 years are going to be applied, in a smoother way, even to France under Macron.

[PaNTuXIa]

I for one, welcome our new Germanic overlords.

R.I.P. France, ???-2017

On a serious note, all this election means is that a further right candidate or Le Pen will just run next time and win in a landslide.

We've lost the battle, but not the war.

[Risottia]

Not exactly happy to see a Chicago boy at the Elysée...

But knowing how the various FN supporters like, dunno, Trump, May, Wilders, Salvini, Grillo, Orban etc must feel is priceless.

[Vistora]

You mistake the position from which I approach this. From my viewpoint, Hollande's attempted reforms were lamentable because, even if they had accomplished more than a tiny fraction of their stated aims, they wouldn't have been enough. My major concern is that Macron will be hobbled in his liberalisation efforts as well, although I still believe he has a much better chance than most.

Oh, I understand that you're one of those who think that France can compete with China by lowering wages near the Chinese level.
I just do see how, even having more jobs, having wages near the Chinese level is going to make things better.
Not mentioning that with the robots things will get even worse.

Sans the blatantly hyperbolic strawpersoning, yes, I'm "one of those".

[PaNTuXIa]

Anyway, to all the French centrists and liberals/center-rightists here and in France, my message is this:

Enjoy the last five years of your tyrannical regime. 2022 will see a further right candidate in office, who will promise a Frexit and get one passed, and the EU will be over and the Kalergi Plan will have failed. You've lost. Enjoy your five years though. It won't last long.

[Vistora]

Anyway, to all the French centrists and liberals/center-rightists here and in France, my message is this:

Enjoy the last five years of your tyrannical regime. 2022 will see a further right candidate in office, who will promise a Frexit and get one passed, and the EU will be over and the Kalergi Plan will have failed. You've lost. Enjoy your five years though. It won't last long.

Duly noted

[Irona]

I for one, welcome our new Germanic overlords.

R.I.P. France, ???-2017

On a serious note, all this election means is that a further right candidate or Le Pen will just run next time and win in a landslide.

We've lost the battle, but not the war.

Care to explain that thought process? Because what I see is the growing trend of the European far-right being kneecapped every time they go to an election.

[Torrocca]

Anyway, to all the French centrists and liberals/center-rightists here and in France, my message is this:

Enjoy the last five years of your tyrannical regime. 2022 will see a further right candidate in office, who will promise a Frexit and get one passed, and the EU will be over and the Kalergi Plan will have failed. You've lost. Enjoy your five years though. It won't last long.

Because the EU is an absolute hellish failure that has returned all of Europe to a pre-industrialized, pre-Renaissance feudal age chock full of regressive, oppressive kingdoms and tribes of peoples. Right.

[Chessmistress]

Oh, I understand that you're one of those who think that France can compete with China by lowering wages near the Chinese level.
I just do see how, even having more jobs, having wages near the Chinese level is going to make things better.
Not mentioning that with the robots things will get even worse.

Sans the blatantly hyperbolic strawpersoning, yes, I'm "one of those".

I edited, actual message is:

I just do not see how, even having more jobs, having wages near the Chinese level is going to make things better on the whole.
Not mentioning that with the robots things will get even worse.

The reforms that EU have in mind is: Greece.
They applied it in Greece before the others just only because they had the chance.
The measures that have been applied to Greece in the last 5 years are going to be applied, in a smoother way, even to France under Macron.

[PaNTuXIa]

Anyway, to all the French centrists and liberals/center-rightists here and in France, my message is this:

Enjoy the last five years of your tyrannical regime. 2022 will see a further right candidate in office, who will promise a Frexit and get one passed, and the EU will be over and the Kalergi Plan will have failed. You've lost. Enjoy your five years though. It won't last long.

Because the EU is an absolute hellish failure that has returned all of Europe to a pre-industrialized, pre-Renaissance feudal age chock full of regressive, oppressive kingdoms and tribes of peoples. Right.

What?

I mean, the EU is pretty bad. And it doesn't particularly matter whether the bourgeoisie and petite-bourgeoisie support it, it will fall because the far left, far right, right, most of the center-right, and some of the left all hate it. It's shit.

[Torrocca]

Because the EU is an absolute hellish failure that has returned all of Europe to a pre-industrialized, pre-Renaissance feudal age chock full of regressive, oppressive kingdoms and tribes of peoples. Right.

What?

I mean, the EU is pretty bad. And it doesn't particularly matter whether the bourgeoisie and petite-bourgeoisie support it, it will fall because the far left, far right, right, most of the center-right, and some of the left all hate it. It's shit.

And in what ways is it shit?

[Vistora]

Because the EU is an absolute hellish failure that has returned all of Europe to a pre-industrialized, pre-Renaissance feudal age chock full of regressive, oppressive kingdoms and tribes of peoples. Right.

What?

I mean, the EU is pretty bad. And it doesn't particularly matter whether the bourgeoisie and petite-bourgeoisie support it, it will fall because the far left, far right, right, most of the center-right, and some of the left all hate it. It's shit.

Evidently, too few of these vast sweeping groups you cite hate it enough to preclude Macron's 65% majority.

[PaNTuXIa]

I for one, welcome our new Germanic overlords.

R.I.P. France, ???-2017

On a serious note, all this election means is that a further right candidate or Le Pen will just run next time and win in a landslide.

We've lost the battle, but not the war.

Care to explain that thought process? Because what I see is the growing trend of the European far-right being kneecapped every time they go to an election.

You do realize that a """"Far-right""""" candidate came in second place, right?

In 2002, that would've been impossible.

[PaNTuXIa]

What?

I mean, the EU is pretty bad. And it doesn't particularly matter whether the bourgeoisie and petite-bourgeoisie support it, it will fall because the far left, far right, right, most of the center-right, and some of the left all hate it. It's shit.

Evidently, too few of these vast sweeping groups you cite hate it enough to preclude Macron's 65% majority.

It's just a matter of time, as I said. That, and the French people are far more brainwashed than I thought.

[Jovuistan]

Care to explain that thought process? Because what I see is the growing trend of the European far-right being kneecapped every time they go to an election.

You do realize that a """"Far-right""""" candidate came in second place, right?

In 2002, that would've been impossible.

It was so impossible back then, a far-right candidate came in second place.

Wait...

[Vistora]

Care to explain that thought process? Because what I see is the growing trend of the European far-right being kneecapped every time they go to an election.

You do realize that a """"Far-right""""" candidate came in second place, right?

In 2002, that would've been impossible.

2002 was the year National Front last came in second place.

Evidently, too few of these vast sweeping groups you cite hate it enough to preclude Macron's 65% majority.

It's just a matter of time, as I said. That, and the French people are far more brainwashed than I thought.

Ahh yes, their opinions don't matter because they're brainwashed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Swedish is actually smoother than both German and Danish.
There's an island belonging to Denmark, Bornholm, that have a dialect that is heavily influenced by Swedish: they're sometimes mocked by other Danish due their smoother language.

*ahem*
I was being facetious.

[Torrocca]

Evidently, too few of these vast sweeping groups you cite hate it enough to preclude Macron's 65% majority.

It's just a matter of time, as I said. That, and the French people are far more brainwashed than I thought.

"Everyone that doesn't think the way I want them to think is brainwashed!"

Good logic there.

[Improved werpland]

Care to explain that thought process? Because what I see is the growing trend of the European far-right being kneecapped every time they go to an election.

You do realize that a """"Far-right""""" candidate came in second place, right?

In 2002, that would've been impossible.

Top kek.

[Risottia]

Anyway, to all the French centrists and liberals/center-rightists here and in France, my message is this:

Enjoy the last five years of your tyrannical regime. 2022 will see a further right candidate in office, who will promise a Frexit and get one passed, and the EU will be over and the Kalergi Plan will have failed. You've lost. Enjoy your five years though. It won't last long.

*writes down note*

Uh uh.