French presidential primaries

[Olerand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovO18E-hgew

So I came across this video about how France does school lunches and they seem to go overboard. They serve their children gourmet or restaurant quality food, not such a big deal, good for the schools but bad for the suffering taxpayers in France but I digress- my main objection is the fact that parents there are given the menus for each day so that they're expected to go out of their way to make a different dinner each night. "You don't want your child to eat fish for lunch and eat fish again for dinner."

Oh the horror, what a load of crap this is. Calories is calories for the most part, provided you burn more than you take in, who the hell cares? What an outrageous intrusion of government into the personal lives of citizens.

If Marine Le Pen were elected, there would be a chance for France to get rid of all this burdensome bureaucracy.

I don't think Le Pen is going to be this bureaucratic cutter you think she is. Macron might have a better chance at cutting though the bureaucracy than Le Pen would

Yeah absolutely. Marine will definitely cut funding to the ZEPs (zone d'éducation prioritaire) or the most needy—and immigrant heavy schools—in France, but she's not going to do anything to the school lunches. Why would she?

Right-wing Americans who support her are really projecting their wishes on something that is very dissimilar.

[Ardrentt]

I don't think Le Pen is going to be this bureaucratic cutter you think she is. Macron might have a better chance at cutting though the bureaucracy than Le Pen would

Yeah absolutely. Marine will definitely cut funding to the ZEPs (zone d'éducation prioritaire) or the most needy—and immigrant heavy schools—in France, but she's not going to do anything to the school lunches. Why would she?

Right-wing Americans who support her are really projecting their wishes on something that is very dissimilar.

To be fair, the nativism is still firmly present in either end, so there's that. :/

And for someone like Sai, the other details may be unnecessary guff in order to fulfill that main push towards a world that is effectively isolated from every other part of it.

[Saiwania]

(because, supposedly, their parents can feed them at home since they are unemployed... but unemployed people are often out looking for jobs, and when they are not, the school meal was usually the only sane meal the kids had in the day)

How it would work in the US is that the child would need to temporarily be given up to a family relative who is willing to take them in or the parent would need to use various welfare programs such as food stamps in order to pay for food, it is bare minimum but it is nonetheless enough to survive. Or as a last resort, the child simply has to be given up to the state for adoption or foster care.

Now I know for a fact that France has a far more generous system of welfare than the US. Why in the world would being unemployed be such an imposition over there? French citizens are practically given free money and all sorts of nice things, that is why their taxes are sky high.

The US is far more harsh so far as poverty goes. Welfare spending in the US is weak to nonexistent. Homeless Americans can and do often die an early death after being out in the street for too long. Many locations in all 50 states don't have their own shelter for such people and the only option for food and some shelter might be getting sent to jail or prison. Usually something like food stamps can be gotten, but applying is a timely and difficult process and there is a time limit depending on the program.

What the poorest Americans are given is stingy, it is a reflection of a low tax society that doesn't value certain things like helping the unproductive. The wealthy and the individual is what is admired and praised in the US. Following a more European model is seen by many Americans as practically communist. But as a general rule, there is no better place to be rich than the US, so many ways to pay little to no tax but keep getting richer and richer.

[The Conez Imperium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovO18E-hgew

So I came across this video about how France does school lunches and they seem to go overboard. They serve their children gourmet or restaurant quality food, not such a big deal, good for the schools but bad for the suffering taxpayers in France but I digress- my main objection is the fact that parents there are given the menus for each day so that they're expected to go out of their way to make a different dinner each night. "You don't want your child to eat fish for lunch and eat fish again for dinner."

Oh the horror, what a load of crap this is. Calories is calories for the most part, provided you burn more than you take in, who the hell cares? What an outrageous intrusion of government into the personal lives of citizens.

If Marine Le Pen were elected, there would be a chance for France to get rid of all this burdensome bureaucracy.

It's just a recommendation, it's not like you have to follow it...eating fish twice is quite tiring too.

Besides I like french school food. Le Pen stay away, if anything they need to ensure the funding is evenly spread and focused on poorer economic social areas.

[Zurkerx]

I agree, though I wouldn't call the Republican Party far-right. However, I do agree they have been, moving that way...

I also agree as well. Let's hope she doesn't win.

Hm... What would you call a party that makes the FN left-wing?
The FN is radical right-wing, the Republicans are far-right.

As Major-Tom has said, the GOP is a firm right wing party. That doesn't mean they have their factions of far-right people, but it does mean the party isn't far-right.

Republicans have, for around 40 years, embraced an extremist right wing economic policy that overtly pushes wealth to the upper echelons of society and disenfranchises the poor, economic positions that would be complexly absurd in nearly every other democratic country. They are also are largely made up of religious fundamentalists who, on social policy, share more in common with Islamic fundamentalists in the Middle East than they do with most other people. How are they not far right, in any sense of the term?

Ever since the Southern Strategy and the Gipper, they've gone from the sensible right to the firm right. While 'moderate' GOP congressmen and women exist, they are few and far between compared to most establishment Republicans.

However, far right is a bit of an absurd label. The implications of far right stem beyond "trickle down economics" and "christian conservatism." I mean, wanting gays to not get married is a bit different than people in the Middle East who want gays to be killed. Your Islamic comparison is unfair, and I say that as someone who despises Christian Evangelicism.

Basically, the GOP, as a whole, is a firmly right wing party for the upper class and wall street that appeals to the blue collar whites through a message of "evangelism" and "americana." I'm over the GOP, fuck it.

I have to agree with this. There are factions that are far-right but, it doesn't mean the party is far right.

[Minoa]

Sources: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-france ... KKBN17T0A1 and http://dataviz.ifop.com:8080/IFOP_ROLLI ... 4-2017.pdf (PDF)

The last time Macron was at 59% was with the Ifop-Fiducial poll for 11–14 Apr 2017, sample 2,776.

Well, we have to be careful when polls have a 2% error magin and say someone felt from 60% to 59% it doesn't actually mean much. But I expect Macron to fall slightly after the events of yesterday, but then bounce back. What I'm less confident about is the debate of May 3rd, Macron usually isn't good in such debates... I hope he won't fumble too much.

I wonder if is because I have been calculating the "maximum catchment", a what-if scenario in which all abstaining voters go for either candidates?

[Stojam]

Don't you think France is a little bit screwed? Since Marcon will bring more Syrians if he wins. Marine Le Pen is Anti-Semite, and for me as a Jew, that's bad. She is not Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters.
So.......... Give your opinion about it.

[Olerand]

Hm... What would you call a party that makes the FN left-wing?
The FN is radical right-wing, the Republicans are far-right.

As Major-Tom has said, the GOP is a firm right wing party. That doesn't mean they have their factions of far-right people, but it does mean the party isn't far-right.

Ever since the Southern Strategy and the Gipper, they've gone from the sensible right to the firm right. While 'moderate' GOP congressmen and women exist, they are few and far between compared to most establishment Republicans.

However, far right is a bit of an absurd label. The implications of far right stem beyond "trickle down economics" and "christian conservatism." I mean, wanting gays to not get married is a bit different than people in the Middle East who want gays to be killed. Your Islamic comparison is unfair, and I say that as someone who despises Christian Evangelicism.

Basically, the GOP, as a whole, is a firmly right wing party for the upper class and wall street that appeals to the blue collar whites through a message of "evangelism" and "americana." I'm over the GOP, fuck it.

I have to agree with this. There are factions that are far-right but, it doesn't mean the party is far right.

Well, I have to disagree.

[Olerand]

Don't you think France is a little bit screwed? Since Marcon will bring more Syrians if he wins. Marine Le Pen is Anti-Semite, and for me as a Jew, that's bad. She is not Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters.
So.......... Give your opinion about it.

How many Syrians do you think Macron is going to bring in? All 22 million of them? There's only so many he can realistically, politically, admit into France, no matter how much he wants to bring in more.

I don't agree with Germany's asylum decision (which they have now reversed), nor do I agree that we should shoulder their mistakes, but there is a certain number of Syrians we should take in.

As for Marine, I don't think she is personally anti Semitic. Her entourage certainly is, but I don't know about her personally.

[Thermodolia]

Don't you think France is a little bit screwed? Since Marcon will bring more Syrians if he wins. Marine Le Pen is Anti-Semite, and for me as a Jew, that's bad. She is not Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters.
So.......... Give your opinion about it.

How many Syrians do you think Macron is going to bring in? All 22 million of them? There's only so many he can realistically, politically, admit into France, no matter how much he wants to bring in more.

I don't agree with Germany's asylum decision (which they have now reversed), nor do I agree that we should shoulder their mistakes, but there is a certain number of Syrians we should take in.

As for Marine, I don't think she is personally anti Semitic. Her entourage certainly is, but I don't know about her personally.

You do know who her father is right? She was raised up with that. So I'm betting high dollar on the fact that she's anti-Semitic

[Stojam]

How many Syrians do you think Macron is going to bring in? All 22 million of them? There's only so many he can realistically, politically, admit into France, no matter how much he wants to bring in more.

I don't agree with Germany's asylum decision (which they have now reversed), nor do I agree that we should shoulder their mistakes, but there is a certain number of Syrians we should take in.

As for Marine, I don't think she is personally anti Semitic. Her entourage certainly is, but I don't know about her personally.

You do know who her father is right? She was raised up with that. So I'm betting high dollar on the fact that she's anti-Semitic

She is, her father is one heck of an Anti-Semetic trash.

[Olerand]

How many Syrians do you think Macron is going to bring in? All 22 million of them? There's only so many he can realistically, politically, admit into France, no matter how much he wants to bring in more.

I don't agree with Germany's asylum decision (which they have now reversed), nor do I agree that we should shoulder their mistakes, but there is a certain number of Syrians we should take in.

As for Marine, I don't think she is personally anti Semitic. Her entourage certainly is, but I don't know about her personally.

You do know who her father is right? She was raised up with that. So I'm betting high dollar on the fact that she's anti-Semitic

Yeah, and my parents vote for the Republicans (the French ones) or the center while I'm in the Socialist Party. I can't determine who Marine is personally based on her father. Many in her entourage have said controversial things, but she has not, so I don't know if she is personally anti Semitic.

She very well could be, or not.

EDIT: This is not to suggest that she does not believe the things her father believed, she very well could. But I can't link you to actual facts that show she is anti-Semitic so I don't make that claim.

[Stojam]

You do know who her father is right? She was raised up with that. So I'm betting high dollar on the fact that she's anti-Semitic

Yeah, and my parents vote for the Republicans (the French ones) or the center while I'm in the Socialist Party. I can't determine who Marine is personally based on her father. Many in her entourage have said controversial things, but she has not, so I don't know if she is personally anti Semitic.

She very well could be, or not.

Well, but we all know she can't expel Jews and make another Holocaust or something. Nobody will let that happen.
EDIT: Kids take inspiration from their parents, if her father raised and she took inspiration, she might be that way.

[Olerand]

Yeah, and my parents vote for the Republicans (the French ones) or the center while I'm in the Socialist Party. I can't determine who Marine is personally based on her father. Many in her entourage have said controversial things, but she has not, so I don't know if she is personally anti Semitic.

She very well could be, or not.

Well, but we all know she can't expel Jews and make another Holocaust or something. Nobody will let that happen.
EDIT: Kids take inspiration from their parents, if her father raised and she took inspiration, she might be that way.

She very well could be. But like I noted in my edit, if I say she is anti-Semitic and someone tells me to provide proof, I wouldn't have any, so I refrain from labeling her as such.

[Stojam]

Well, but we all know she can't expel Jews and make another Holocaust or something. Nobody will let that happen.
EDIT: Kids take inspiration from their parents, if her father raised and she took inspiration, she might be that way.

She very well could be. But like I noted in my edit, if I say she is anti-Semitic and someone tells me to provide proof, I wouldn't have any, so I refrain from labeling her as such.

But at least to Israel's interests she isn't good.
(Yes, everyone interests on France's election, I am not saying Israel searches to control France, no, that's unrealistic.... But about support and things like that.)

[Olerand]

She very well could be. But like I noted in my edit, if I say she is anti-Semitic and someone tells me to provide proof, I wouldn't have any, so I refrain from labeling her as such.

But at least to Israel's interests she isn't good.
(Yes, everyone interests on France's election, I am not saying Israel searches to control France, no, that's unrealistic.... But about support and things like that.)

Like Wilders and Strache, Marine has taken a much more Israel-friendly position since she took control of the party. As the old saying says, the enemy (Israel) of my enemy (Muslims) is my friend.

She's also used this position to further legitimize the FN and deligitimize claims of anti-Semitism made against her.

Unlike most other French politicians, she hasn't made an issue out of the settlements, for example.
Now is this change authentic or not? I don't know.
But again, I can't describe her true intentions, I can only describe her public positions .

[Thermodolia]

Well, but we all know she can't expel Jews and make another Holocaust or something. Nobody will let that happen.
EDIT: Kids take inspiration from their parents, if her father raised and she took inspiration, she might be that way.

She very well could be. But like I noted in my edit, if I say she is anti-Semitic and someone tells me to provide proof, I wouldn't have any, so I refrain from labeling her as such.

In my opinion I think she's one of the "play it safe" anti-semite. Where she might privately believe such things however publicly doesn't say anything of the sort until she has full power, meaning not just the Presidency but the AN as well

[Stojam]

Well........... She does need to play it safe, but remember, she isn't Donald Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters (by voters I mean supporters), but I think she plays it rather safe.

[Thermodolia]

Well........... She does need to play it safe, but remember, She isn't Donald Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters (by voters I mean supporters), but I think she plays it rather safe.

While she might not be surrounded by them her opposition would definitely use it against her.

[Olerand]

Well........... She does need to play it safe, but remember, she isn't Donald Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters (by voters I mean supporters), but I think she plays it rather safe.

Um... the use of Donald Trump as the point of comparison is... interesting.

The presence of Jews "around him" didn't prevent him from deliberately omitting them from Shoah commemorations, did it?

[Thermodolia]

Well........... She does need to play it safe, but remember, she isn't Donald Trump, she is not surrounded by Jewish voters (by voters I mean supporters), but I think she plays it rather safe.

Um... the use of Donald Trump as the point of comparison is... interesting.

The presence of Jews "around him" didn't prevent him from deliberately omitting them from Shoah commemorations, did it?

The only Jews he "surrounds" himself with are his son in law and some high ranking Republican Party officials.

[Stojam]

Um... the use of Donald Trump as the point of comparison is... interesting.

The presence of Jews "around him" didn't prevent him from deliberately omitting them from Shoah commemorations, did it?

The only Jews he "surrounds" himself with are his son in law and some high ranking Republican Party officials.

Yeah but, he can't talk about Jews in public, and he is definitely NOT anti-semetic.

[Olerand]

The only Jews he "surrounds" himself with are his son in law and some high ranking Republican Party officials.

Yeah but, he can't talk about Jews in public, and he is definitely NOT anti-semetic.

Marine doesn't "talk about Jews in public" either, and do you know him personally to assert he is not antisemitic? Someone who is friendly to the Jews wouldn't deliberately leave them out of the Shoah commemorations.

[Gauthier]

Marine Le Pen's replacement as Front National leader steps down over Nazi gas chamber comments

Oops?

[Liriena]

Marine Le Pen's replacement as Front National leader steps down over Nazi gas chamber comments

Oops?

Poor Marine Le Pen. The more she tries to distance her party from its fascist roots, the more fascist crap dribbles out of it.