French presidential primaries

[Union of Despotistan]

What killed the current EU was trying to make it a Political union and accepting lots of way too poor nations like Poland, Hungary, Romania.

Add Great Britain to that lot and I totally agree with you. There is a reason why France vetoed GB entry into the union twice. We didn't wanted them in back then and we're glad they left. Luckily those countries are getting overrun by populists without a long run vision. They will leave because they want to play tough, then they will wag their tails when remaining countries will hint at economic sanctions.

And tell you what, it's what I want.

Political unification is desirable, but we need to build it. That means countries have to make compromises and think big. We can't play team sport with soloplayers, so I'm in favor of people wanting to leave- actually leaving.

I agree with you about the economical possibilities of such an economical union. But I tend to be strongly against the idea of an "European State". Europe is diverse and beautiful, minus migrants from out of Europe. And it needs to be preserved by national governments; not a big union that will inherently crush smaller nationalities in favor of bigger ones.

[Dameth]

I agree with you about the economical possibilities of such an economical union. But I tend to be strongly against the idea of an "European State". Europe is diverse and beautiful, minus migrants from out of Europe. And it needs to be preserved by national governments; not a big union that will inherently crush smaller nationalities in favor of bigger ones.

Bretons said the same thing to France during the unification. To this day we still have residual breton independantists. But look at Bretagne now. It still has its culture, its language and they are very proud of it. That is also true for other regions like Occitania. Just because they are french doesn't means their indentity is crushed.

I'm proud to be from Calais, to be the grandgrandson of miners and sailors. I'm learning the local language. That thing is up to the citizens to carry, not the politicians

[Kilobugya]

How's FG going now? Heard it started off big but has tapered off.

It has been severely damaged by internal divisions during local elections, where depending on the city/region, part of it allied with different partners. It was quite a mess, and since then the relations between PCF and PdG are very tense (especially, IMHO, because Mélenchon made it a personal affront and started name calling, instead of just accepting the situation and trying to build back from there - but then I'm a PCF member so I'm somewhat biased).

But polls (if we can trust pollsters...) are currently showing Mélenchon (which most people still identify with FdG) at around 15%, in the third position after that fascist Le Pen and the yet-not-known LR ("republican" right) candidate, but ahead of PS and Green and all other candidates.

[Lavochkin]

Add Great Britain to that lot and I totally agree with you. There is a reason why France vetoed GB entry into the union twice. We didn't wanted them in back then and we're glad they left. Luckily those countries are getting overrun by populists without a long run vision. They will leave because they want to play tough, then they will wag their tails when remaining countries will hint at economic sanctions.

And tell you what, it's what I want.

Political unification is desirable, but we need to build it. That means countries have to make compromises and think big. We can't play team sport with soloplayers, so I'm in favor of people wanting to leave- actually leaving.

I agree with you about the economical possibilities of such an economical union. But I tend to be strongly against the idea of an "European State". Europe is diverse and beautiful, minus migrants from out of Europe. And it needs to be preserved by national governments; not a big union that will inherently crush smaller nationalities in favor of bigger ones.

I remember hearing this once, don't know when or who:

"If Europe doesn't become a union, it will be part of a union"

[Outer Sparta]

I'm not French, but I wanted Sarkozy, but Juppé > Le Pen.

[Thermodolia]

Fillon seems fine. I expect him to probably win the presidency against LePen in 2017, and thats a good thing.

I'd rather Juppé win instead of Fillon but I'll take an actual lion over Le Pen

[Thermodolia]

I'm not French, but I wanted Sarkozy, but Juppé > Le Pen.

I'm in the same boat

[New Werpland]

Apparently Fillon thinks the GDR still exists?

What does this mean? Does this have something to do with the coming Yalta Conference no.2?

[Kilobugya]

Apparently Fillon thinks the DDR still exists?

What does this mean? Does this have something to do with the coming Yalta Conference no.2?

Probably just a silly mistake from his campaign team, and lack of "quality control" in his process. Not very reassuring from someone wanting to be president, but no hidden message either, just plain incompetence.

[New Werpland]

Apparently Fillon thinks the DDR still exists?

What does this mean? Does this have something to do with the coming Yalta Conference no.2?

Probably just a silly mistake from his campaign team, and lack of "quality control" in his process. Not very reassuring from someone wanting to be president, but no hidden message either, just plain incompetence.

He would have to have a really strange campaign team in that case.

[Baltenstein]

Apparently Fillon thinks the GDR still exists?

What does this mean? Does this have something to do with the coming Yalta Conference no.2?

Uh-Oh, Monsieur Fillon has a lot of explaining to do to Madame Merkel

[Dameth]

Fillon seems fine. I expect him to probably win the presidency against LePen in 2017, and thats a good thing.

I'd rather Juppé win instead of Fillon but I'll take an actual lion over Le Pen

Let's be real. Fillon = Jupé. They are absolutely the same in terms of policies. None of them is a mad horseman like Sarkozy, and both of them will rule according to the party lines, over which they have little control as presidents.

For one I think Fillon is slightly better than Jupé, because he wants to step back from the will of killing Bashar Al Assad. Any move distancing ourselves from the US cowboy diplomacy is a good move.

[Rio Cana]

Juppe actually doesnt seem to bad.

Did some checking and this Juppé won in the French Caribbean and French Guinea. On mainland France, he only won in parts of SW region. This map shows it -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... T1.svg.png

The light blue-green is Juppé while the dark blue is Fillon.

[Geilinor]

I'd rather Juppé win instead of Fillon but I'll take an actual lion over Le Pen

Let's be real. Fillon = Jupé. They are absolutely the same in terms of policies. None of them is a mad horseman like Sarkozy, and both of them will rule according to the party lines, over which they have little control as presidents.

For one I think Fillon is slightly better than Jupé, because he wants to step back from the will of killing Bashar Al Assad. Any move distancing ourselves from the US cowboy diplomacy is a good move.

First you say that their policies are the same, and in the next paragraph you point out a significant policy difference.

[Baltenstein]

Fillon is now the official candidate.

Mesdames et Messieurs, meet the future president of France.

[Major-Tom]

I'm not French, but I wanted Sarkozy, but Juppé > Le Pen.

Sarkozy is such an ass.

[New Werpland]

I'm not French, but I wanted Sarkozy, but Juppé > Le Pen.

Sarkozy is such an ass.

Better an ass than a Valdai Club member.

[Major-Tom]

Sarkozy is such an ass.

Better an ass than a Valdai Club member.

I regrettably know next to nothing about the Valdai Club.

[Kravanica]

I almost wish that I was French so I could vote for Le Pen. Then I remember that I'm American and got to vote for Trump and suddenly I feel better.

[Major-Tom]

I almost wish that I was French so I could vote for Le Pen. Then I remember that I'm American and got to vote for Trump and suddenly I feel better.

I prefer Fillon to LePen.

LePen is a staunch economic protectionist and supporter of increased government spending in France, a country that desperately needs tax cuts, union busting, and longer work hours. Furthermore, LePen has some decent ideas on immigration, but they're ultimately too radical for my taste. Fillon recognizes that many Muslims have failed to integrate, as have North Africans, but his plans on fixing this are more comprehensive and less extreme. He's qualified, a Thatcherite, and his immigration ideas are much more responsible and almost more wise than those of LePen.

I'll take Fillon.

[Kravanica]

I almost wish that I was French so I could vote for Le Pen. Then I remember that I'm American and got to vote for Trump and suddenly I feel better.

I prefer Fillon to LePen.

LePen is a staunch economic protectionist and supporter of increased government spending in France, a country that desperately needs tax cuts, union busting, and longer work hours. Furthermore, LePen has some decent ideas on immigration, but they're ultimately too radical for my taste. Fillon recognizes that many Muslims have failed to integrate, as have North Africans, but his plans on fixing this are more comprehensive and less extreme. He's qualified, a Thatcherite, and his immigration ideas are much more responsible and almost more wise than those of LePen.

I'll take Fillon.

This is true. Most of my support for Le Pen comes from wanting to have a trifecta of Trump, Brexit, and Le Pen to send a strong message. I'd be happy with either, though.

[Thermodolia]

I prefer Fillon to LePen.

LePen is a staunch economic protectionist and supporter of increased government spending in France, a country that desperately needs tax cuts, union busting, and longer work hours. Furthermore, LePen has some decent ideas on immigration, but they're ultimately too radical for my taste. Fillon recognizes that many Muslims have failed to integrate, as have North Africans, but his plans on fixing this are more comprehensive and less extreme. He's qualified, a Thatcherite, and his immigration ideas are much more responsible and almost more wise than those of LePen.

I'll take Fillon.

This is true. Most of my support for Le Pen comes from wanting to have a trifecta of Trump, Brexit, and Le Pen to send a strong message. I'd be happy with either, though.

The French want to stay in the EU not leave it

[Major-Tom]

This is true. Most of my support for Le Pen comes from wanting to have a trifecta of Trump, Brexit, and Le Pen to send a strong message. I'd be happy with either, though.

The French want to stay in the EU not leave it

On the contrary, the French have a relatively negative view of the EU. If they had a referendum, I could imagine it being close. Many sectors of the French left and right dislike the EU, whereas the mainstream centre right and left are fine with it in France.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/eur ... nd-brexit/

[Pope Joan]

Fillon will win, handily. It is the Zeitgeist. All over the world, xenophobia and anti-globalism is the trend.

[Kravanica]

Fillon will win, handily. It is the Zeitgeist. All over the world, xenophobia and anti-globalism is the trend.

Because not wanting to be screwed by mass immigration is now xenophobia.