French presidential primaries

[The Novakian Empire]

Personally, since the whole Trump surprise, I severely distrust polls.

The polls for the American presidential elections weren't actually wrong. They predicted that more people would cast their vote Hillary than for Trump. Which is exactly what happened.

True.

[Pasong Tirad]

Time for a new poll, I believe?

[New haven america]

The polls for the American presidential elections weren't actually wrong. They predicted that more people would cast their vote Hillary than for Trump. Which is exactly what happened.

True.

It's just that logic and America seem to not get along.

[The Shining Purple Light]

True.

It's just that logic and America seem to not get along.

I don't think they ever have gotten along.

[Aelex]

By siding with Putin?

Everyone who doesn't hate Putin automatically is his puppet. *nod nod*

[Aelex]

Foreign issues won't matter if there is no economic policy. France needs economic reform big time, Macron is supporting economic reforms. Le Pen is not. The foreign issues will not matter if the economy goes belly up.

But the reforms he is supporting are more likely to hurt than to help the country. The Loi Travail he was instrumental in the drafting of quite clearly shows that.

[Ardrentt]

Time for a new poll, I believe?

But I just cast my vote! D:

More seriously, going by one article analysing the situation alone, considering that "fervour wins you shit" is the current paradigm, I feel like Le Pen will likely win, even though I would prefer Macron.

[Zurkerx]

Personally, since the whole Trump surprise, I severely distrust polls.

The polls for the American presidential elections weren't actually wrong. They predicted that more people would cast their vote Hillary than for Trump. Which is exactly what happened.

They weren't wrong in that sense, they just underestimated Trump's support.

[The Wolfiad]

By siding with Putin?

Everyone who doesn't hate Putin automatically is his puppet. *nod nod*

You're only deluding yourself if you ignore Le Pen's record.

[Zakuvia]

By siding with Putin?

Everyone who doesn't hate Putin automatically is his puppet. *nod nod*

Apart from trying to match George Bush's high score and murdering political opponents, what exactly is laudable about Putin apart from his bare-chested bear-riding skills?

[Gauthier]

Everyone who doesn't hate Putin automatically is his puppet. *nod nod*

Apart from trying to match George Bush's high score and murdering political opponents, what exactly is laudable about Putin apart from his bare-chested bear-riding skills?

Destabilizing national elections in favor of insular populists less likely to stand up to Russian ambitions?

[Aelex]

Destabilizing national elections in favor of insular populists less likely to stand up to Russian ambitions?

Because Russia tots has the power to do so and it's not just some red-scare era tier of bullshit to justify why your politics are getting more and more hated by the population.

[Thermodolia]

Destabilizing national elections in favor of insular populists less likely to stand up to Russian ambitions?

Because Russia tots has the power to do so and it's not just some red-scare era tier of bullshit to justify why your politics are getting more and more hated by the population.

Well the Russian thing isn't helped by the fact that Russian intelligence agencies did hack both major American political parties

[Zakuvia]

Destabilizing national elections in favor of insular populists less likely to stand up to Russian ambitions?

Because Russia tots has the power to do so and it's not just some red-scare era tier of bullshit to justify why your politics are getting more and more hated by the population.

North Korea pulled the cyberterrorism equivalent of the first scene in Iron Man with the Sonygate attacks. Considering the LONG history of the Russians integrating actually meaningful hackers into their cyber warfare divisions, it's foolish to think that they wouldn't, and to ignore and not extrapolate the evidence of when they actually have domestically.

[Aelex]

North Korea pulled the cyberterrorism equivalent of the first scene in Iron Man with the Sonygate attacks. Considering the LONG history of the Russians integrating actually meaningful hackers into their cyber warfare divisions, it's foolish to think that they wouldn't, and to ignore and not extrapolate the evidence of when they actually have domestically.

And how exactly did they manage to use said hackers to "destabilise" our election?
Well, as you're at it, how exactly did Russia "destabilised" it at all?
I mean, Guath usually just spout shitty one-liners before fleeing so I don't expect him to elaborate on those stupid claims of his but if you actually have elements to add in support of them, please do so.

[Gauthier]

North Korea pulled the cyberterrorism equivalent of the first scene in Iron Man with the Sonygate attacks. Considering the LONG history of the Russians integrating actually meaningful hackers into their cyber warfare divisions, it's foolish to think that they wouldn't, and to ignore and not extrapolate the evidence of when they actually have domestically.

And how exactly did they manage to use said hackers to "destabilise" our election?
Well, as you're at it, how exactly did Russia "destabilised" it at all?
I mean, Guath usually just spout shitty one-liners before fleeing so I don't expect him to elaborate on those stupid claims of his but if you actually have elements to add in support of them, please do so.

Russia engineered election hacks and meddling in Europe

You're welcome.

[The Blaatschapen]

Je suis avec elle.

So how many feminists voted le pen?

[Zakuvia]

North Korea pulled the cyberterrorism equivalent of the first scene in Iron Man with the Sonygate attacks. Considering the LONG history of the Russians integrating actually meaningful hackers into their cyber warfare divisions, it's foolish to think that they wouldn't, and to ignore and not extrapolate the evidence of when they actually have domestically.

And how exactly did they manage to use said hackers to "destabilise" our election?
Well, as you're at it, how exactly did Russia "destabilised" it at all?
I mean, Guath usually just spout shitty one-liners before fleeing so I don't expect him to elaborate on those stupid claims of his but if you actually have elements to add in support of them, please do so.

Though I didn't use the terms myself, if I WERE to use the concept of 'destabilizing the election', I'm not talking about manipulating polling data. Most polling stations have centralized networks that can't be hacked because they don't connect to the outside world. That's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that Russian-backed hackers DID hack into the DNC and RNC's networks (thought admittedly the way they got into the DNC was embarrassingly stupid, and a child could have done it) and leaked targeted information. They didn't need to hack numbers, they did, however, hack public opinion.

Let me be first to say that, yes, if the DNC hadn't been crooked liars, they wouldn't have had dirt to spill, but that's besides the point. Tell me for one second that the RNC didn't have equivalently dirty laundry that could have been aired out, and I'll see what your grammar looks like when you're lying. That the hackers were selective in their releasing of data shows an intent, and that was to discredit the candidate who was harsher in their public commentary on Russia than the other. Russian hackers promote a pro-Russian candidate by smearing the other who's not. It's no more complicated than that.

I feel your pain, though, loads of people hop onto Rachel Maddow or Cenk's nonsensical conspiracy theories, and it muddies the waters, but I ignore them as quickly as I ignore the people who ignore the thusfar proven evidence altogether.

[Gauthier]

Je suis avec elle.

So how many feminists voted le pen?

And how many approve of them doing so after bitching about the Clinton campaign trying to use the Woman Card?

[Kilobugya]

Je suis avec elle.

So how many feminists voted le pen?

None. She's against abortion, against LGBT rights, don't say a word about the pay gap or domestic violence or ... the only thing under "women rights" in her program is "Islam is evil !!111!!!" no real feminist would ever vote for her.

[Aelex]

Russia engineered election hacks and meddling in Europe

You're welcome.

Soooo, just someone saying to buzzfeed that an Islamic Cyber-Attack in 2014 was a Russian false flag and Cambadélis spouting non-sense about a "gut feeling" he had?
I expected nothing but I'm still disappointed.
Guess you really were just talking shit in the end, how so very surprising and totally unlike you. :^)

[Ardrentt]

Je suis avec elle.

So how many feminists voted le pen?

None. She's against abortion, against LGBT rights, don't say a word about the pay gap or domestic violence or ... the only thing under "women rights" in her program is "Islam is evil !!111!!!" no real feminist would ever vote for her.

Well they might well have that as their most important issue and see it as paramount for women's rights.

So I dunno: I imagine at least a fair amount of people who identify as feminists would vote for her, though I don't suspect they'd be in droves (Like maybe 5 to 10 percent of those who self identify as feminists)

[Gauthier]

Russia engineered election hacks and meddling in Europe

You're welcome.

Soooo, just someone saying to buzzfeed that an Islamic Cyber-Attack in 2014 was a Russian false flag and Cambadélis spouting non-sense about a "gut feeling" he had?
I expected nothing but I'm still disappointed.
Guess you really were just talking shit in the end, how so very surprising and totally unlike you. :^)

Yeah, if you want to ignore the pattern of Russian cyber attacks in the other European countries listed in the article. But hey nothing exists outside of La France.

[Gauthier]

None. She's against abortion, against LGBT rights, don't say a word about the pay gap or domestic violence or ... the only thing under "women rights" in her program is "Islam is evil !!111!!!" no real feminist would ever vote for her.

Well they might well have that as their most important issue and see it as paramount for women's rights.

So I dunno: I imagine at least a fair amount of people who identify as feminists would vote for her, though I don't suspect they'd be in droves (Like maybe 5 to 10 percent of those who self identify as feminists)

Single Issue Voters, the bane of any representative government.

[Aelex]

Yeah, if you want to ignore the pattern of Russian cyber attacks in the other European countries listed in the article. But hey nothing exists outside of La France.

>"Russia totally hacked into France and destabilised the election, this article shows it!"
>"It says no such things, in fact most of the part about France is bollock "
>"W-well they tots did it in other countries so that mean they absolutely did it in France too!"

Yeaaaaaaaah, no. If you claim that something is happening in a country, you need to actually show proofs that it did happen. A vague "well it happened elsewhere so it must have happened there too" simply won't convince anyone who isn't as ideologically motivated as you.