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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:26 pm

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I'm willing to bet you like FDR though.

FDR was an amazing President.

Warmonger. Couldn't walk. Obviously unfit to be President.
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Postby Tobuel » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:26 pm

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1. There is no legal requirement to be experienced in politics to be President.

It does help to have even a vague idea of what the fuck you're doing, though.

2. He is not a crappy businessman. He's one of the best businessman ever as evidenced by his nets worth.

His net worth fluctuates from day to day based on how he feels. Most sources put him at a billion dollars tops, and he was given massive amounts of money by his father. The man is not a genius- he has occasionally displayed a certain low cunning, and that's about it.


He had enough of an idea of what he was doing to beat the entire political establishment and media. Also, a loan of a million dollars is not a massive amount of money, especially in the New York real estate business. Also, he's refused to take a salary as president. And I'm sorry, but "a billion dollars, tops" is not a lot of money?

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Postby Senkaku » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:26 pm

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I know, and that is why I didn't vote for him but we lost and beyond that we dont have the power to do anything else and undermining the electoral collage is not the answer

He should be stopped from taking office and the Electoral College and the Congress if they truly cared about the country and the planet would do that.

And if Hillary had won the electoral college and lost the popular vote you'd be singing a different tune. I'm a Democratic partisan and someone who actually likes HRC, and even I can smell the hypocrisy and bullshit here.
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:26 pm

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I know, and that is why I didn't vote for him but we lost and beyond that we dont have the power to do anything else and undermining the electoral collage is not the answer

He should be stopped from taking office and the Electoral College and the Congress if they truly cared about the country and the planet would do that.


which is ironically not democratic at all lol do you have anything else in your ammunition besides fearmongering and incorrect rhetoric?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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I know, and that is why I didn't vote for him but we lost and beyond that we dont have the power to do anything else and undermining the electoral collage is not the answer

He should be stopped from taking office and the Electoral College and the Congress if they truly cared about the country and the planet would do that.


Let me stop you right there.

Since when the fuck has the United States has given a shit about the planet?

The United States, like it or not, benefits from corruption and fucking over the rest of the planet.
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Postby Tobuel » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Hillary almost certainly would. I think she would recognize that it would be an overturn of how the system is supposed to work, even if all the electors who deserted came from states with no laws against faithless electors. The woman isn't an idiot.

The Electoral College was designed for the purpose of stopping someone who was unfit and unqualified from being President. It would not be an overturn.


The purpose of the electoral college was to keep urban areas from dominating the rural areas by popular vote.

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Postby Crockerland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:27 pm

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San Lumen wrote:FDR was an amazing President.

Warmonger. Couldn't walk. Obviously unfit to be President.

Yes, I concur, anyone who can't walk is not qualified to be president.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:27 pm

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Because Donald Trump not only defies expectation, but actively repels it.

Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:28 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
San Lumen wrote:He should be stopped from taking office and the Electoral College and the Congress if they truly cared about the country and the planet would do that.


Let me stop you right there.

Since when the fuck has the United States has given a shit about the planet?

The United States, like it or not, benefits from corruption and fucking over the rest of the planet.


I think after a certain point, nobody benefits from climate change or global instability.
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Postby Arctica-Aleutia » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:28 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:FDR was an amazing President.

Warmonger. Couldn't walk. Obviously unfit to be President.

Not being able to walk has nothing to do with being fit to be president. And I think his motive for entering WW2 was to stop the Nazis and protect people (I'm not an expert on FDR, so forgive me if I'm wrong.)
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.


Ahaha some of us truly live in their own little bubble don't we?
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.

ah yes they'll all be enlightened by the mass chaos

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.


The problem here is that you sincerely believe that the rest of the world would be all roses under a Clinton presidency.

It wouldn't.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Arctica-Aleutia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Warmonger. Couldn't walk. Obviously unfit to be President.

Not being able to walk has nothing to do with being fit to be president. And I think his motive for entering WW2 was to stop the Nazis and protect people (I'm not an expert on FDR, so forgive me if I'm wrong.)


FDR declared war on Japan because of Pearl Harbor. Germany was the one who dragged the U.S. into Europe by invoking their alliance with Japan.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Ebliania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.

ah yes they'll all be enlightened by the mass chaos

And what mass chaos would there be?

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Postby The Flutterlands » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.

And I guess you're omniscient enough to know that... :roll:
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
New haven america wrote:The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.


1. There is no legal requirement to be experienced in politics to be President.

2. He is not a crappy businessman. He's one of the best businessman ever as evidenced by his nets worth.

3. He has no plans to fill his staff with the worst people; only the people he believes are the best qualified for the job (and who objectively, will be between the best and the worst if there is such a thing).

1. No, there is not, yet it is preferred.
2. Sure, that explains why so many of his business ventures have gone bankrupt or got ran into the ground, because he's good at his job.
3. He plans on making a Climate Change denier the head of the EPA, make Newt Gingrich Secretary of State, and Sarah Palin Interior Secretary, and that only a few of the people he plans to fill his Cabinet with.
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ebliania wrote:ah yes they'll all be enlightened by the mass chaos

And what mass chaos would there be?

You know, the sizable population that voted against Clinton? Come on it shouldn't be that hard.

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Postby Uxupox » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

It would not be a assault on democracy or dismantling. Its the very purpose of the EC. They would soon realize they'd be done a great service and the rest of the world would thank us.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ebliania wrote:ah yes they'll all be enlightened by the mass chaos

And what mass chaos would there be?


Millions of people would be fucking furious and not accept her as president because it would have proven Trumps "the system is rigged" rhetoric entirely right.
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Postby Knockturn Alley » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ebliania wrote:ah yes they'll all be enlightened by the mass chaos

And what mass chaos would there be?


Yeah I'm sure the whole country wouldn't react to a losing candidate being elected president completely undermining the legal system
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:30 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Let me stop you right there.

Since when the fuck has the United States has given a shit about the planet?

The United States, like it or not, benefits from corruption and fucking over the rest of the planet.


I think after a certain point, nobody benefits from climate change or global instability.


The powerful always benefit from global instability, especially if they see a political vacuum where they can prop governments that will cater to said powerful country.

This has literally been the policy of the United States for the last 60 years.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
1. There is no legal requirement to be experienced in politics to be President.

2. He is not a crappy businessman. He's one of the best businessman ever as evidenced by his nets worth.

3. He has no plans to fill his staff with the worst people; only the people he believes are the best qualified for the job (and who objectively, will be between the best and the worst if there is such a thing).

1. No, there is not, yet it is preferred.
2. Sure, that explains why so many of his business ventures have gone bankrupt or got ran into the ground, because he's good at his job.
3. He plans on making a Climate Change denier the head of the EPA, make Newt Gingrich Secretary of State, and Sarah Palin Interior Secretary, and that only a few of the people he plans to fill his Cabinet with.

The third is the most important. His policies and that of his cabinet would destroy the Environment and the planet. He must not and cannot be allowed to become President. The EC and Congress must stop him for the sake of the planet.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:31 pm

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Like them or not, the EPA does incredibly important work. Not the least of which, is cleaning up Superfund sites which are unsafe for human habitation because of chemical pollution. They cleaned up Times Beach, Missouri of dioxin. It would be incredibly unwise to completely do away with what Richard Nixon established.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And what mass chaos would there be?


Millions of people would be fucking furious and not accept her as president because it would have proven Trumps "the system is rigged" rhetoric entirely right.

It would be perfectly legal and it would not have been rigged.

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