Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Infected Mushroom]

You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

1. There is no legal requirement to be experienced in politics to be President.

2. He is not a crappy businessman. He's one of the best businessman ever as evidenced by his nets worth.

3. He has no plans to fill his staff with the worst people; only the people he believes are the best qualified for the job (and who objectively, will be between the best and the worst if there is such a thing).

[Tobuel]

Lets see, most of the major regional forces like Trump. How exactly does this increase the chances of him causing a thermonuclear war again?

I dont know saying why do make nuclear weapons if we won't use them? Someone like that has absolutely no business having nuclear codes and should be barred from office.

I'm willing to bet you like FDR though.

[Ebliania]

You have no idea what your talking about. Equality means everything. My country just elected a demagogue and the country as i know it may not exist in several years.

It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?

He'll nuke everything like Clinton would.

[Senkaku]

*riots intensify*

So what? The country and the world would have been done a great service.

Yes, inciting right-wing militias to start killing people in the streets and causing mass riots would be a "great service" to the country. I imagine she'd be sensible enough to decline such an EC revolt

[New haven america]

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

You know what the ultimate statement of being unqualified to be president?

Losing the electoral college.

False.

Bush won the EC yet lost the popular vote in 2000, and then proceeded practically run the country into the ground.

Winning the EC simply means that a person was able to score a win by using a broken system.

[San Lumen]

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

Okay, I understand what people's concerns are about Donald Trump. I supported him over Hillary, but I don't pretend to believe he's perfect. But one thing I think will certainly not happen because of him is nuclear war.
Before you point it out, I know there's a clip of him saying "If we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?"
But I really don't think he was being serious about that at all. If anything, it was some sort of metaphor to our military in general.

Well id rather not take the chance of destroying the environment or causing the end of the world with nuclear winter.

[Tobuel]

It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?

He'll nuke everything like Clinton would.

Well who is it that he'll nuke? And why?

[San Lumen]

I dont know saying why do make nuclear weapons if we won't use them? Someone like that has absolutely no business having nuclear codes and should be barred from office.

I'm willing to bet you like FDR though.

FDR was an amazing President.

[Valrifell]

You have no idea what your talking about. Equality means everything. My country just elected a demagogue and the country as i know it may not exist in several years.

It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?

There's quite a bit, actually.

1) Nuclear war
2) Economic policies triggering a depression
3) Oppression of minorities leading to revolts
4) Etc.

Not saying any of that is particularly likely, but it's certainly possible. I'd say number 2 is the most likely out of the 3 presented.

[Ebliania]

He'll nuke everything like Clinton would.

Well who is it that he'll nuke? And why?

He'll nuke all the blue states for voting against him duh

/sarcasm

[Settrah]

[ignore]

[San Lumen]

So what? The country and the world would have been done a great service.

Yes, inciting right-wing militias to start killing people in the streets and causing mass riots would be a "great service" to the country. I imagine she'd be sensible enough to decline such an EC revolt

It would be perfectly legal and I dont think she would decline.

[Senkaku]

1. There is no legal requirement to be experienced in politics to be President.

It does help to have even a vague idea of what the fuck you're doing, though.

2. He is not a crappy businessman. He's one of the best businessman ever as evidenced by his nets worth.

His net worth fluctuates from day to day based on how he feels. Most sources put him at a billion dollars tops, and he was given massive amounts of money by his father. The man is not a genius- he has occasionally displayed a certain low cunning, and that's about it.

[Tobuel]

Okay, I understand what people's concerns are about Donald Trump. I supported him over Hillary, but I don't pretend to believe he's perfect. But one thing I think will certainly not happen because of him is nuclear war.
Before you point it out, I know there's a clip of him saying "If we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?"
But I really don't think he was being serious about that at all. If anything, it was some sort of metaphor to our military in general.

Well id rather not take the chance of destroying the environment or causing the end of the world with nuclear winter.

The environment is doing fine, while I don't want to cause a global warming debate, I'm not entirely sure how dismantling the EPA will turn America into a wasteland in 4-8 years. Also there is no cause to believe he's going to nuke anyone.

[Knockturn Alley]

It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?

There's quite a bit, actually.

1) Nuclear war
2) Economic policies triggering a depression
3) Oppression of minorities leading to revolts
4) Etc.

Not saying any of that is particularly likely, but it's certainly possible. I'd say number 2 is the most likely out of the 3 presented.

I know, and that is why I didn't vote for him but we lost and beyond that we dont have the power to do anything else and undermining the electoral collage is not the answer

[The Two Jerseys]

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

Okay, I understand what people's concerns are about Donald Trump. I supported him over Hillary, but I don't pretend to believe he's perfect. But one thing I think will certainly not happen because of him is nuclear war.
Before you point it out, I know there's a clip of him saying "If we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?"
But I really don't think he was being serious about that at all. If anything, it was some sort of metaphor to our military in general.

Reagan wanted a 600-ship Navy, so obviously he wanted to go out there and sink the Soviet Navy. *nods*

[Ebliania]

Yes, inciting right-wing militias to start killing people in the streets and causing mass riots would be a "great service" to the country. I imagine she'd be sensible enough to decline such an EC revolt

It would be perfectly legal and I dont think she would decline.

"But it's legal!" Sure but it looks like you want to ignore the health of the country in order to make yourself feel good.

[Herskerstad]

You know what the ultimate statement of being unqualified to be president?

Losing the electoral college.

False.

Bush won the EC yet lost the popular vote in 2000, and then proceeded practically run the country into the ground.

Winning the EC simply means that a person was able to score a win by using a broken system.

Unqualified is not the same as unfit. You literally have to win the EC in order to qualify with any degree of legitimacy the next president of the US. The EC is what distinguishes one from not just the opposing party's candidacy, but any number of the third party ones.

No unqualified person has ever been president in the US, plenty of unfit ones have.

[Senkaku]

Yes, inciting right-wing militias to start killing people in the streets and causing mass riots would be a "great service" to the country. I imagine she'd be sensible enough to decline such an EC revolt

It would be perfectly legal and I dont think she would decline.

Hillary almost certainly would. I think she would recognize that it would be an overturn of how the system is supposed to work, even if all the electors who deserted came from states with no laws against faithless electors. The woman isn't an idiot.

[San Lumen]

There's quite a bit, actually.

1) Nuclear war
2) Economic policies triggering a depression
3) Oppression of minorities leading to revolts
4) Etc.

Not saying any of that is particularly likely, but it's certainly possible. I'd say number 2 is the most likely out of the 3 presented.

I know, and that is why I didn't vote for him but we lost and beyond that we dont have the power to do anything else and undermining the electoral collage is not the answer

He should be stopped from taking office and the Electoral College and the Congress if they truly cared about the country and the planet would do that.

[Uxupox]

You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

sounds like an elective dictatorship to me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?

There's quite a bit, actually.

1) Nuclear war
2) Economic policies triggering a depression
3) Oppression of minorities leading to revolts
4) Etc.

Not saying any of that is particularly likely, but it's certainly possible. I'd say number 2 is the most likely out of the 3 presented.

I mean, the only time we had a depression had been when Edgar Hoover passed many policies in the spirit of protectionism.

Hooverist policies trigged a great depression, and similar policies can do it again. But I don't think Trump's that fucking dumb to not realize that.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

Okay, I understand what people's concerns are about Donald Trump. I supported him over Hillary, but I don't pretend to believe he's perfect. But one thing I think will certainly not happen because of him is nuclear war.
Before you point it out, I know there's a clip of him saying "If we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?"
But I really don't think he was being serious about that at all. If anything, it was some sort of metaphor to our military in general.

Reagan wanted a 600-ship Navy, so obviously he wanted to go out there and sink the Soviet Navy. *nods*

(Don't know if you were being serious or not, not sure what you meant by *nod*)
He wanted to scare the USSR into bankrupting themselves while giving us a good defense against them at the same time.

[The Flutterlands]

I got something to ask. Before November 8th 2016, there were three times in U.S history that a president got in with only the Electoral Vote. What makes you think things will be different with this fourth time?

Because Donald Trump not only defies expectation, but actively repels it.

Still, not letting Trump in, when he won fair and square, will be nothing more than a big 'fuck you' to a system that have worked so well, while not perfectly, for the past 240 years. It would be an assualt on our democracy and the dismantling of everything the U.S stands for.

And if you think that the anti-trump riots are bad, imagine the can of worms that the EC would unleash if they don't go by the wishes of the thirty states who elected their man.

[San Lumen]

It would be perfectly legal and I dont think she would decline.

Hillary almost certainly would. I think she would recognize that it would be an overturn of how the system is supposed to work, even if all the electors who deserted came from states with no laws against faithless electors. The woman isn't an idiot.

The Electoral College was designed for the purpose of stopping someone who was unfit and unqualified from being President. It would not be an overturn.