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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

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The real number of people who voted is closer to half, less than 25% supported Trump or Clinton. The real silent majority remained silent, either because they couldn't vote or were thoroughly disgusted with both that they couldn't. Hardly an endorsement of Trump by the electorate, and really it would be hardly better for Clinton.

Exactly. Either one of them would be walking into office even though most didn't want either of them. Yet people pretend Clinton would be more legitimate than Trump.


She would be, but marginally. Having the larger plurality helps a bit, in my eyes.
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Postby Tobuel » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

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I have asked you 3 times in this thread and you have declined to answer three times. According to what legal grounds is he unqualified to be POTUS?

He has neither the experience nor the temperament and is a danger to America and the world.


First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

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Postby Balkenreich » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

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Are you a sentient being with the capacity to reason? Your current string of posts clearly states otherwise

I am being reasonable.


You are being the opposite of reasonable.

Youre being Hysterical, and demanding that the American Republic DIES so that you can get your way.
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Postby Settrah » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

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What makes me ashamed to be American is that this man won and that people aren't demanding he and his running mate decline to be elected or the electoral college overturn turn it or Congress bar him from office. The Founding Fathers if they were alive today would be demanding it.

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?


Apparently we need to make others decisions for them, especially blacks and hispanics, to (to quote Sam Lumen) "save them from themselves!"

So fuck democracy now.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:16 pm

I got something to ask. Before November 8th 2016, there were three times in U.S history that a president got in with only the Electoral Vote. What makes you think things will be different with this fourth time around?
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Postby Crockerland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:17 pm

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Are you a sentient being with the capacity to reason? Your current string of posts clearly states otherwise

I am being reasonable.

No, no, not at all. You keep shouting that Trump is unqualified when he objectively, demonstrably isn't, as we have shown you through empirical evidence, and refuse to accept that you are incorrect.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:17 pm

Tobuel wrote:
San Lumen wrote:He has neither the experience nor the temperament and is a danger to America and the world.


First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:17 pm

The Flutterlands wrote:I got something to ask. Before November 8th 2016, there were three times in U.S history that a president got in with only the Electoral Vote. What makes you think things will be different with this fourth time?


Because Donald Trump not only defies expectation, but actively repels it.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:17 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.



You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:18 pm

New haven america wrote:
Telconi wrote:

You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

Finally someone who agrees with me.

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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:18 pm

New haven america wrote:
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You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

*riots intensify*

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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?


Lets see, most of the major regional forces like Trump. How exactly does this increase the chances of him causing a thermonuclear war again?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

Ebliania wrote:
New haven america wrote:The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

*riots intensify*

So what? The country and the world would have been done a great service.

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

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New haven america wrote:The EC totally has the power to overturn it, and they should, Trump is inexperienced in politics, a crappy businessman, and is planning on filling his staff with the worst people.

*riots intensify*


To be fair, the fear of mass civil unrest is why candidates tend to concede before the EC casts their ballot.
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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

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Ebliania wrote:*riots intensify*

So what? The country and the world would have been done a great service.

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Postby Tobuel » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?


Dismantling the EPA? That's hilarious.
Also Clinton was the one who wanted war with Russia, not Trump.

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Postby Sareva » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

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You should actually look into Trump's policies, equality means nothing when it boils down to it, Hillary would have never given you equality, she'd sell America out. End of.

You have no idea what your talking about. Equality means everything. My country just elected a demagogue and the country as i know it may not exist in several years.

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Postby Knockturn Alley » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?


None of those are legal grounds either. If you feel he shouldnt become president then Im guessing you didnt vote for him, but he still won. You have no legal basis to claim he is unfit for presidency
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Postby Arctica-Aleutia » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

Okay, I understand what people's concerns are about Donald Trump. I supported him over Hillary, but I don't pretend to believe he's perfect. But one thing I think will certainly not happen because of him is nuclear war.
Before you point it out, I know there's a clip of him saying "If we have nuclear weapons, why don't we use them?"
But I really don't think he was being serious about that at all. If anything, it was some sort of metaphor to our military in general.
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Postby Kravanica » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

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Kravanica wrote:Exactly. Either one of them would be walking into office even though most didn't want either of them. Yet people pretend Clinton would be more legitimate than Trump.


She would be, but marginally. Having the larger plurality helps a bit, in my eyes.

In appearance, maybe. Not in any legal capacity.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
San Lumen wrote:lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?


Lets see, most of the major regional forces like Trump. How exactly does this increase the chances of him causing a thermonuclear war again?

I dont know saying why do make nuclear weapons if we won't use them? Someone like that has absolutely no business having nuclear codes and should be barred from office.

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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

1. EPA needs to be dismantled, it's a startlingly inefficient, cherry-picking organization with a God complex (known by those unfortunate enough to work with them). A new organization needs to be in it's place.
2. As if he would pull out of it. Trump has already revered himself on abortion, ACA, and is probably going to on trade, if rumors are true.
3. I find it funny how both sides think the opposition will lead them to nuclear war.
4. The Democrats should have fielded a better candidate. They didn't so now we have Trump. As Chris Rock said, "replacing a charismatic 40 year old black man with an awkward 70 year old white woman was not a good idea."
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Postby Marxistische Republik von Deutschland » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Tobuel wrote:
First, those aren't legal ground.
Second, Russia and China and Syria have all reached out and expressed looking forward to doing business with President Trump. In what exact way would he endanger the world?

lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?

>causing nuclear war
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>America is, in fact, not a smoldering irradiated crater

I don't-...

I don't think Nuclear war has happened yet. I don't know where you're going with this, but it makes me want to end my life.

Putin literally said he was going to declare war if Hillary was elected because she was going to blow ruski airships out of the sky.

But No, Trump, who wants to block off America from everyone and go back into 1930's Neutrality and American isolationism is going to declare nuclear war. Yeah. The guy who's trying to STOP messing with everyone's business. Not Hillary, who threatened to declare war with russia (and then publicly announced our response time in the same interview), Not her.

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Postby Ebliania » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:21 pm

Knockturn Alley wrote:
San Lumen wrote:lets see dismantling the EPA and environmental regulations., pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord, causing Nuclear War and we should allow him to becoming President?


None of those are legal grounds either. If you feel he shouldnt become president then Im guessing you didnt vote for him, but he still won. You have no legal basis to claim he is unfit for presidency

but assertions and shit

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:21 pm

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Nordic Saxony wrote:"Everyone I don't like is Hitler".

You should actually look into Trump's policies, equality means nothing when it boils down to it, Hillary would have never given you equality, she'd sell America out. End of.

You have no idea what your talking about. Equality means everything. My country just elected a demagogue and the country as i know it may not exist in several years.


It's only 4-8 years.

What the fuck do you think Trump can do in 4 to 8 years that can make the U.S. collapse?
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