Hillary Clinton could still win the presidency

[Crockerland]

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

No, he's not fucking unqualified, stop saying that, you've been proven wrong.

[Herskerstad]

Ironically Clinton 'Bill' produced a perfect solution.

Have the ID at the social security card. Everyone is obligated to have that and the information processed for such would determine the validity of the vote.

It does not have to be any harder than that, and both those who want the votes unmistakeable, and those who want voting to be as easy as logistically possible, could be satisfied. No dead relatives, no illegal votes. Just orderly, simple voting.

I see where Clinton is coming from.

But Social Security Numbers are among one of the things that are really outdated in terms of anti-forgery measures.

True, but these things can be improved in such an event. Again, I sympathise with both sides. Wanting to make voting as accessible AND secure as possible, and it is a rather odd spat to be having when there are options that would satisfy both.

[San Lumen]

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

Are you seriously arguing for less than 300,000 people? Do you have any idea how little that is in an election?

She won by literally 1%.

The electoral college was made for this kinda thing, was it not?

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

[Balkenreich]

Are you seriously arguing for less than 300,000 people? Do you have any idea how little that is in an election?

She won by literally 1%.

The electoral college was made for this kinda thing, was it not?

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

Thats not how any of this works.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well the result isn't changing so I'd get used to saying President Trump. Like, damn, I don't like Trump and I don't like the electoral college but you people are being obnoxious.

He meets all the requirements to become POTUS, having the electoral college elect someone who has already conceded defeat would just be bad all around.

I'm not saying President Trump because I've never said President Obama or President Bush, I've only called them by their last name, that's not changing . I am also taking some kind of offense to the "you people" comment. I assure you, barring that garish formatting, I have not really attempted to be emotional, angry, or otherwise obnoxious. I like to think I did a good job at keeping it that way too. You'll also take note that I really haven't advocated for the EC to elect Clinton, just that it should be reformed or abolished outright and replaced (with what, I have no idea).

That aside, it still really is a fact that Donald Trump is literally the least experienced president ever. The rest have either had military experience or prior government experience.

Sorry, I assumed you were amongst the crowd saying the EC should just elect her.

He doesn't really have any experience and yeah that bothers me, but the precedent of the EC doing something that crazy scares me more tbh.

[Valrifell]

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

The US is not every other country in the world. And only about 25% of the people voted for either candidate.

The real number of people who voted is closer to half, less than 25% supported Trump or Clinton. The real silent majority remained silent, either because they couldn't vote or were thoroughly disgusted with both that they couldn't. Hardly an endorsement of Trump by the electorate, and really it would be hardly better for Clinton.

[Kravanica]

Are you seriously arguing for less than 300,000 people? Do you have any idea how little that is in an election?

She won by literally 1%.

The electoral college was made for this kinda thing, was it not?

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

No, it shouldn't. That's not how the EC works. Stop fucking pretending like it is.

[Valaran]

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

Christ, I am actually a touch annoyed that this meme isn't dead yet.

[Telconi]

Are you seriously arguing for less than 300,000 people? Do you have any idea how little that is in an election?

She won by literally 1%.

The electoral college was made for this kinda thing, was it not?

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

You continue to express your opinions as facts... they aren't...

[New haven america]

San Lumen, your hysterics on this thread are increasingly becoming counter-productive to the advancement of your views. Since I happen to share many of those views, every time you attempt to exaggerate the effects of a Trump presidency to justify a subversion of the electoral process, the image (and thus the standing) of progressives and Clinton supporters is being denigrated in the eyes of fellow Americans.

Literally giving ammunition for the Rust Belt Offensive™ in 2020!

Well, if you actually took a look at some of the economic plans Trump's proposed, the Rust Belt will just get worse.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

I dont care.

That's pretty common with you guys, isn't it?

Do you not care, or are you just incapable of understanding anything that doesn't agree with you?

Either way, you're spitting in the face of the electoral college and American Democracy because it didn't go in your favor. Keep crying. Your tears taste of delicious salt.

[Knockturn Alley]

Because true democracy is no choice at all, right?

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

I have asked you 3 times in this thread and you have declined to answer three times. According to what legal grounds is he unqualified to be POTUS?

[San Lumen]

I dont care. More people voted for her than him. The Electoral College should overturn it.

Thats not how any of this works.

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

[Valaran]

I dont care.

That's pretty common with you guys, isn't it?

Do you not care, or are you just incapable of understanding anything that doesn't agree with you?

It isn't that common.

[Knockturn Alley]

Thats not how any of this works.

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

Are you a sentient being with the capacity to reason? Your current string of posts clearly states otherwise

[San Lumen]

In every other country in the world if you get the most votes you win. He is not qualified for the job and is unfit with his temperament. The people did not choose him. The Popular vote should be what matters and the Electoral College and Congress should overturn it if they cared about the future of democracy and the planet.

I have asked you 3 times in this thread and you have declined to answer three times. According to what legal grounds is he unqualified to be POTUS?

He has neither the experience nor the temperament and is a danger to America and the world.

[Crockerland]

Thats not how any of this works.

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning

As of yet no one under the age of 35, no non-citizens, and no one who has lived in the US for any less than 14 years has become president, so it must be working.

[Kravanica]

The US is not every other country in the world. And only about 25% of the people voted for either candidate.

The real number of people who voted is closer to half, less than 25% supported Trump or Clinton. The real silent majority remained silent, either because they couldn't vote or were thoroughly disgusted with both that they couldn't. Hardly an endorsement of Trump by the electorate, and really it would be hardly better for Clinton.

Exactly. Either one of them would be walking into office even though most didn't want either of them. Yet people pretend Clinton would be more legitimate than Trump.

[San Lumen]

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

Are you a sentient being with the capacity to reason? Your current string of posts clearly states otherwise

I am being reasonable.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I have asked you 3 times in this thread and you have declined to answer three times. According to what legal grounds is he unqualified to be POTUS?

He has neither the experience nor the temperament and is a danger to America and the world.

None of those things are required to become POTUS.

[Herskerstad]

Thats not how any of this works.

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

You know what the ultimate statement of being unqualified to be president?

Losing the electoral college.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I dont care.

That's pretty common with you guys, isn't it?

Do you not care, or are you just incapable of understanding anything that doesn't agree with you?

Either way, you're spitting in the face of the electoral college and American Democracy because it didn't go in your favor. Keep crying. Your tears taste of delicious salt.

Look man, I voted Clinton and I am somewhat center-of-right (or is it right-of-center?). I just didn't like Trump's proposed policies.

But even I am accepting the result.

Don't lump us all in the same category.

[Marxistische Republik von Deutschland]

Thats not how any of this works.

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning and if that means some dont like it and there is a constitutional crisis then so be it. The future of Democracy, civil rights and liberties and the environment matter more to me and it should to everyone else.

Over 35, Check.
Isn't diagnosed with any major mental issues, Check.
American Citizen, Check.


Oh wait, he's actually 100% qualified. You keep saying that.

Care to provide, like, Oh, I dunno - Actual proof to back your baseless statement with?
I'd hate to throw the guilt of proof on you - but you're making statements with no ground at all.

Love to see at least a small inkling of basic thought.

[Ebliania]

It's what the Electoral College was designed for. To Prevent someone unqualified and unfit to be President from winning

As of yet no one under the age of 35, no non-citizens, and no one who has lived in the US for any less than 14 years has become president, so it must be working.

It's true though. And it really is the worst part of the Electoral College.

[Kravanica]

Are you a sentient being with the capacity to reason? Your current string of posts clearly states otherwise

I am being reasonable.

Doesn't seem like it.